Solving the Velocity of Two Tied Bricks Problem

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In summary, in this conversation, the problem of finding the velocity of two bricks tied together with a thin line and moving at different heights was discussed. Newton's second law was suggested, and the forces acting on each block were considered. Different attempts were made, but with some minor errors. The correct approach was advised to consider the direction of the forces and to use the correct equations. The conversation ended with the deletion of a previous post and a request for further clarification.
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Homework Statement


Two bricks with mass = 1,0 kg and 1,5 kg is tied together with a thin line going through two rings (with no friction). First, we hold the heaviest brick up so that the two bricks hang still at equal height. Then we'll remove our hand so that the bricks start moving. What is the velocity of the bricks when the lightest brick is 0,26 m higher than the heaviest brick?

Tried to illustrate it, but I'm no good with Paint. But hey, I tried :) Hope you get something out of it.
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Homework Equations


Don't know.
F=ma
G=mg
Newtons Laws


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm sorry, but I've just sit here all night and stared at this task. I just have no clue. I know you don't like helping people who can't show their work, but I hope someone could still help me. I'm clueless.

Thank you very, very much!

Btw, the answers supposed to be 0,71 m/s.
 
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A good way to start would be to consider the forces acting on each brick and then apply Newton's second law to each brick individually.
 
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Ignore the pulley for now and just imagine a falling block.
What do you know about the accelaration of a falling object?
What equation links time / speed / accelaration ?
 
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Wow, thanks for the quick replies!
I'll try and have another look on it as you said, Hootenanny :)
mgb_phys; well, the acceleration is 9,81 m/s^2, right? And its Force is mass * acceleration. I'll try to use that. Meanwhile, thanks for any further help! :D
As for that equation, do you mean v=v0+at?

Thanks a lot guys :)
 
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Well, I couldn't do it. At first I tried a method which returned the answer v = 0,92 m/s which obviously was wrong. Then I tried another approach, but that returned v=1,6 m/s, which also was wrong, obviously.

So, are there any other who can give me some hints?
 
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Norway said:
Well, I couldn't do it. At first I tried a method which returned the answer v = 0,92 m/s which obviously was wrong. Then I tried another approach, but that returned v=1,6 m/s, which also was wrong, obviously.

So, are there any other who can give me some hints?
What did you actually try?
 
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Sorry, didn't have much time when I posted the previous post, but this is what I tried:
(M is the brick with 1,5kg, m is the brick with 1,0kg)

GM = 1,5 kg * 9,81 m/s2 = 14,715 N
Gm = 1.0 kg * 9,81 m/s2 = 9,81 N

Looking at M (wow, just realized you support TeX :D ):
[tex]\Sigma F = Ma \Rightarrow a = \frac{\Sigma F}{M} = \frac{4,905 N}{1,5 kg} = 3,27 m
/s^2[/tex]

Wrongly assumed that the acceleration was 3,27 metres per second squared.

[tex]v^2 = v_0^2 + 2as[/tex]
[tex]v = \sqrt{2 \cdot 3,27 m/s^2 \cdot 0,13 m} = 0,92 m/s[/tex]
Which was wrong, of course. (Kinda embarrassing writing down your work when you know it's wrong, but.. :D )

Tried again: Can't remember what I was thinking, but obviously something very wrong, as this turned out very bad.
[tex]G_M - S = Ma[/tex]
[tex]G_m - S = ma[/tex]
[tex]S = G_m - ma = 9,81 N[/tex]

[tex]G_M - G_m + ma = Ma[/tex]
[tex]G_M - G_m = a(M-m)[/tex]
[tex]a = \frac{G_M - G_m}{M - m} = \frac{4,905 N}{0,5 kg} = 9,81 m/s^2[/tex]
which obviously was even worse. Continued with it even though, and got v = 1,6 m/s.

Well.. - yeah. :)
 
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Sorry, but somethings gone wrong here. I can't edit posts, so I posted a new one and can't delete the old one. Sorry. But I split the lines in the last post, so it's easier to see. Thanks
 
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Okay, you've got the right idea but are making a few small slips along the way. Let's do this step by step.

Intuitively, in which direction will the system move? In other words, which block will move upwards and which block will move downwards? We shall take this direction as positive.

Now write down the sum of the forces acting on each block, taking note of the direction. If the force acts in the same direction as the block is traveling then the force should be positive. Otherwise, the force should be negative.

Do you follow?

P.S. I've deleted your previous post. You can edit or delete your own posts (up to one hour after to posted them) by clicking the edit button and then either editing the post directly, or selecting the delete option.
 

FAQ: Solving the Velocity of Two Tied Bricks Problem

How do you calculate the velocity of two tied bricks?

The velocity of two tied bricks can be calculated using the formula v = √(2gh), where v is the velocity, g is the acceleration due to gravity (9.8 m/s²), and h is the height from which the bricks are dropped.

What is the purpose of solving the velocity of two tied bricks problem?

The purpose of solving this problem is to understand the relationship between the height from which an object is dropped and its velocity as it falls due to gravity. This can be applied to various real-life scenarios, such as calculating the speed of a falling object or determining the maximum height a person can safely jump from.

Are there any assumptions made when solving this problem?

Yes, there are a few assumptions made when solving the velocity of two tied bricks problem. These include assuming that the bricks are dropped from a stationary position, there is no air resistance, and the bricks are tied together securely.

Is there a difference in the velocity if the bricks are dropped individually or tied together?

Yes, there is a difference in the velocity. When the bricks are tied together, they have a larger combined mass, resulting in a higher velocity compared to when they are dropped individually.

Can this problem be applied to objects of different masses?

Yes, this problem can be applied to objects of different masses as long as the objects are dropped from the same height and the same assumptions are made. The velocity will vary depending on the mass of the objects, but the relationship between height and velocity will remain the same.

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