Special relativity-analogy of rotation

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In summary: Thank you for your help.In summary, the conversation discusses an analogy to rotation using the Lorentz transformations. The attempt at a solution involves finding a way to make $(x')^2+(y')^2+(z')^2-c^2(t')^2=x^2+y^2+z^2-c^2t^2$ true, but the given equations do not seem to work. After some analysis and checks, it is determined that the equation can be made true by including the square in the numerator of $t'$ and adjusting some dimensions.
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Homework Statement


Analogy to rotation:
$$(x')^2+(y')^2+(z')^2-c^2(t')^2=x^2+y^2+z^2-c^2t^2$$
It isn't

Homework Equations


Lorentz transformations:
$$x'=\frac{x-ut}{\sqrt{1-u^2/c^2}}$$
$$t'=\frac{t-ux/c^2}{\sqrt{1-u^2/c^2}}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


##~(x')^2-c^2(t')^2~## must equal ##~x^2-c^2t^2## but it isn't so:
$$\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})}{1-u^2/c^2}\neq x^2-c^2t^2$$
 
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Perhaps if you restore the square in the numerator of t'2 you'll fare better :rolleyes: $$
\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})^2}{1-u^2/c^2}\ = x^2-c^2t^2 \ \ !$$
 
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$$\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})^2}{1-u^2/c^2}\ =\frac{x^2-2xut+u^2t^2-c^2t^2+2cxut-u^2x^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
$$=\frac{(1-u^2)x^2+(c-1)2xut+(u^2-c^2)t^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
 
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Nonsense. ##c## only occurs as ##c^2## so you can't have a ##c^1## in there. Another check you should do: dimensions: they don't fit !
 
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$$\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})^2}{1-u^2/c^2}\ =...=\frac{x^2+u^2t^2-c^2t^2-u^2x^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
$$=\frac{(1-u^2)x^2+(u^2-c^2)t^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
 
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Numerator dimensions aren't the same: can't have ##x^2## and ##u^2 x^2## side by side. :confused:
 
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$$\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})^2}{1-u^2/c^2}\ =...=\frac{x^2+u^2t^2-c^2t^2-\frac{u^2}{c^2}x^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
$$=\frac{(1-\frac{u^2}{c^2})x^2+(u^2-c^2)t^2}{1-u^2/c^2}=x^2-c^2t^2$$
 
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Bingo !
 
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You are great, BvU
 

FAQ: Special relativity-analogy of rotation

1. What is the concept of "special relativity-analogy of rotation"?

The concept of "special relativity-analogy of rotation" is a way of understanding the principles of special relativity, which deals with the relationship between space and time, by using the analogy of objects rotating in space. It helps to visualize the effects of relative motion and time dilation in a more tangible way.

2. How does the analogy of rotation apply to special relativity?

The analogy of rotation applies to special relativity by comparing the effects of relative motion and time dilation to the effects of rotation in space. Just as an object rotating at a high speed will experience changes in its shape and the passage of time, objects moving at high speeds relative to each other will also experience similar effects.

3. What are some common examples used to explain the analogy of rotation in special relativity?

Some common examples used to explain the analogy of rotation in special relativity include the "twin paradox", where one twin travels at high speeds in space while the other stays on Earth, and the "train and platform" thought experiment, where an observer on a moving train observes different events happening on a stationary platform.

4. How does the analogy of rotation help us understand time dilation in special relativity?

The analogy of rotation helps us understand time dilation in special relativity by showing how the perception of time can differ for observers in different frames of reference. Just as the rotation of a fast-moving object can cause changes in its shape, the movement of an object at high speeds relative to another will cause time to pass at a different rate for each observer.

5. Is the analogy of rotation a perfect representation of special relativity?

No, the analogy of rotation is not a perfect representation of special relativity. While it can help us understand certain aspects of special relativity, it is important to remember that it is just an analogy and does not fully capture all the complexities and nuances of the theory. It is best used as a tool to aid understanding, rather than a direct representation of the theory itself.

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