Speed of Light vs Refractive Index: Does It Violate Relativity?

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In summary, the speed of light relative to glass, still water, or other media is not 3*10^8 m/s (otherwise known as c) due to the refractive index and the refraction of light itself. However, this does not violate the theory of special relativity as it only applies to the speed of light in vacuum. The refractive index is frequency dependent and tends towards 1 for high frequencies, which is what matters for special relativity. Therefore, the statement "The speed of light relative to still water is 2.25*10^8 m/s." does not violate the theory.
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the speed of light relative to glass, still water, or other media is not 3*10^8 m/s (otherwise known as c). This is due to the refractive index, the refraction of light itself. Is this actually a violation of the theory of special relativity?
 
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the speed of light relative to glass, still water, or other media is not 3*10^8 m/s (otherwise known as c). This is due to the refractive index, the refraction of light itself. Is this actually a violation of the theory of special relativity?
No.
Theory of relativity does NOT say that light always moves with the velocity equal to c=299792.458 km/sec. It says that IF SOMETHING moves with the velocity equal to c, THEN IT moves with that velocity for any observer.
The unfortunate fact is that c is called "the velocity of light", while such a terminology is actually misleading.
 
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so does this mean that the statement (or fact): "The speed of light relative to still water is 2.25*10^8 m/s." does not violate the theory of special relativity? However, can a more elaborate explanation be given to why this is so?
 
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When we say "the speed of light is always c" according to SR, we always mean "the speed of light in vacuum." We're simply too lazy to write out the complete statement every single time we say it.

Light traveling through a medium does slow down, in effect. This is addressed in the Physics Forums FAQ (located in the General Physics forum):

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=104715
 
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so does this mean that the statement (or fact): "The speed of light relative to still water is 2.25*10^8 m/s." does not violate the theory of special relativity? However, can a more elaborate explanation be given to why this is so?

The refractive index is frequency dependent. It may fall below 1 for certain frequency bands (resulting in c>c_0 for example) but it tends towards 1 for frequencies approaching infinity. The latter is a consequence of the observed fact that matter gets more an more transparent for ever higher frequency (x-ray goes through your flesh but not your bones, whereas gamma ray goes through all your body matter).

What really matters for special relativity is the propagation of events, i.e. pointlike instantaneous flashes. Those contain very large frequencies which therefore travel with c. Thus special relativity isn't violated even inside transparent media.
 
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FAQ: Speed of Light vs Refractive Index: Does It Violate Relativity?

What is the speed of light?

The speed of light, denoted by the symbol c, is a fundamental constant in physics that represents the maximum speed at which all matter and information in the universe can travel. In a vacuum, the speed of light is approximately 299,792,458 meters per second.

What is refractive index?

Refractive index is a measure of how much a material can slow down the speed of light as it passes through it. It is defined as the ratio of the speed of light in a vacuum to the speed of light in the material.

How does refractive index affect the speed of light?

As light travels through a material, it interacts with the atoms and molecules in that material, causing it to slow down. The higher the refractive index of the material, the slower the speed of light will be. This is why light appears to bend when passing through different substances, such as water or glass.

Does the speed of light violate relativity?

No, the speed of light does not violate relativity. The theory of relativity, proposed by Albert Einstein, states that the speed of light is constant and the same for all observers, regardless of their relative motion. This means that no matter how fast an object is moving, it will always measure the speed of light to be c.

Can the speed of light be altered by changing the refractive index?

No, changing the refractive index of a material will not alter the speed of light. The speed of light is a fundamental constant and cannot be changed by any external factors. While the refractive index can affect the speed of light as it passes through a material, the speed of light itself remains constant.

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