Spivak: Is his how to approach these proofs?

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem set for Chapter one of Spivak's Calculus, specifically focusing on problem 1-(iv) and 1-(vi). While the approach to solving these problems is correct, there is some confusion about the intent and method of solving problem 1-(vi). Ultimately, it is determined that substituting -y for y in (iv) will lead to the desired factorization of x^n+y^n for odd exponents. Additionally, it is noted that this approach will be useful for a problem in chapter two.
  • #1
Saladsamurai
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Hello all :smile:

I have started the problem set for Chapter one (basic properties of numbers) in Spivak's Calculus (self study). I think I am doing these right, but I have some questions.

As a solid example, problem 1-(iv) says to prove the following:

[tex]x^3 - y^3 = (x-y)(x^2+xy+y^2)\qquad(1)[/tex]

My approach was to add and subtract terms to the left hand side of (1) until it could be factored into the desired form:

[tex]\begin{array}{l}
x^3 - y^3 &= x^3 - y^3 + (x^2y - x^2y) + (xy^2 - xy^2) \\
&= x^3 +x^2y+xy^2 - y^3 - x^2y - xy^2 \\
&=x(x^2+xy+y^2)-y(x^2+xy+y^2) \\
&= (x-y)(x^2+xy+y^2)
\end{array}
[/tex]

Now this seems correct to me, but I feel a little guilty because I only knew what to add and subtract to the LHS of (1) because I knew what I was trying to achieve- the RHS of (1).

My second question is similar, but requires some clarifying of Spivak's intent. In problem 1-(vi) he says: Prove the following:

[tex]x^3 + y^3 = (x+y)(x^2-xy+y^2)\qquad(2)[/tex]

Then he says, "There is a particularly easy way to do this, using (iv), and it will show you how to find a factorization of [itex]x^n+y^n[/itex] whenever n is odd."

Well, I solved this one the exact same way I did with (iv) above: I used the right hand side of (2) to infer what terms to add/subtract and obtained the solution. However, the fact that I do not see what he means by the quoted text above leads me to believe that there was some other approach. That is, I have not discovered a way to factorize [itex]x^n+y^n[/itex] whenever n is odd in my procedure.

Any thoughts are appreciated :smile:
 
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  • #2
Certainly, if you know (1), you can get (2) by simply substituting -y in for the y.
 
  • #3
LCKurtz said:
Certainly, if you know (1), you can get (2) by simply substituting -y in for the y.

Hi LC :smile: Yes. I arrived at the solution, but in particular, I am concerned about my approach as I do not see what he means by

Spivak said:
...and it will show you how to find a factorization of xn+yn whenever n is odd
 
  • #4
OK, I see what you mean now. Apparently you need a more clever approach to (1) that easily generalizes to higher odd exponents. I don't know -- I'll think about it if this football game doesn't keep me too distracted. But don't count on me for this one :frown:
 
  • #5
Also, I guess that observing that y = x is a root for odd exponents and factoring (y-x) by long division doesn't count?
 
  • #6
LCKurtz said:
Also, I guess that observing that y = x is a root for odd exponents and factoring (y-x) by long division doesn't count?

Maybe he made a typo? He says "this can easily be done using (iv)". Maybe he meant (v). In problem (v) we proved that

[tex]
x^n-y^n = (x-y)(x^{n-1} + x^{n-2} y+\dots+xy^{n-2} +y^{n-1} )
[/tex]

Anyway, no big deal! Get back to your game! :smile:
 
  • #7
Saladsamurai said:
Maybe he made a typo? He says "this can easily be done using (iv)". Maybe he meant (v). In problem (v) we proved that

[tex]
x^n-y^n = (x-y)(x^{n-1} + x^{n-2} y+\dots+xy^{n-2} +y^{n-1} )
[/tex]

Anyway, no big deal! Get back to your game! :smile:

My thoughts:

Spivak is correct, (vi) can be easily done by (iv) by just substituting -y for y.
This gives you a hint how to obtain the factorization of [itex]x^n+y^n[/itex]. Indeed, take (v) and substitute -y for y again...
 
  • #8
micromass said:
My thoughts:

Spivak is correct, (vi) can be easily done by (iv) by just substituting -y for y.
This gives you a hint how to obtain the factorization of [itex]x^n+y^n[/itex]. Indeed, take (v) and substitute -y for y again...

I am pretty sure this is what Spivak intended.

Also note that you don't have to start from the left side for the first one..

(x-y)([itex]x^{2}[/itex]+xy+[itex]y^{2}[/itex])=x([itex]x^{2}[/itex]+xy+[itex]y^{2}[/itex])-y([itex]x^{2}[/itex]+xy+[itex]y^{2}[/itex])=([itex]x^{3}[/itex]+[itex]x^{2}[/itex]y+x[itex]y^{2}[/itex])-([itex]x^{2}[/itex]y+x[itex]y^{2}[/itex]+[itex]y^{3}[/itex])=[itex]x^{3}[/itex]-[itex]y^{3}[/itex]

This approach will come in handy for at least one problem in chapter two, but I will let you figure out which one!
 

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