Standard measure of distance from equilibrium for all systems

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of a standard way to measure displacement from equilibrium in physical systems. It is concluded that no single measure can be applied to all cases, but in some contexts, the number of standard deviations away from equilibrium may serve as a measure.
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Is there a standard way to measure how far a system is displaced from equilibrium that can be applied to all physical systems? So, for example, a ball that is kicked, a spring that is stretched, a liquid that’s heated, and a charged battery are all systems that are displaced from equilibrium. I am assuming that to quantify how far each of these is displaced from equilibrium a different measure would be used, such as the net force applied, the amount of potential energy, the temperature, or the voltage potential, and that no single measure can be applied in all cases. Is this assumption correct?
 
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Hello @pepperellrob ,
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Interesting thought. Corny answers come to mind, like with your spring example: in the ##F = -kx## equation, the variable ##x## is a measure of how far away you are from equilibrium, litterally :smile: .

I tend to agree with your conclusion
pepperellrob said:
no single measure can be applied in all cases

Now, you posted in the thermo forum. In that context (statistical mechanics) I remember the staggering sharpness of probability distributions for e.g. equilibrium pressure, entropy of a system, number of particles in a subvolume, and what have you. Perhaps the number of standard deviations away from equilibrium would be a measure in those cases. But it would be a very small measure ...

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Thanks @BvU, that's helpful and I like your example!
 

FAQ: Standard measure of distance from equilibrium for all systems

What is the standard measure of distance from equilibrium for all systems?

The standard measure of distance from equilibrium for all systems is known as entropy. It is a measure of the disorder or randomness of a system, and it increases over time in isolated systems.

How is entropy calculated?

Entropy is calculated using the formula S = k ln W, where S is the entropy, k is the Boltzmann constant, and W is the number of microstates or possible arrangements of a system.

Why is entropy important in thermodynamics?

Entropy is important in thermodynamics because it is a fundamental property that helps us understand the direction and efficiency of energy transfer and transformation in a system. It also allows us to predict the spontaneity of processes.

Can entropy be decreased?

In isolated systems, entropy can never decrease, as it always increases over time. However, in open systems, where energy and matter can be exchanged with the surroundings, entropy can be decreased locally, but the overall entropy of the universe still increases.

How does entropy relate to the second law of thermodynamics?

The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of a closed system always increases over time. This is because natural processes tend to move towards a state of higher entropy, where energy is more dispersed and less useful. Entropy is a quantitative measure of this tendency towards disorder and is therefore closely related to the second law of thermodynamics.

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