Stat Mech vs. Greek atomistic hypothesis?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the idea of whether statistical mechanics has disproven the ancient Greek concept of "atoms" being the building blocks of all matter. This is related to Boltzmann's H-Theorem and the assumption of molecular chaos. The conversation also mentions a personal theory proposed by Frank Meno about a gas of needle-like objects but ultimately dismisses it as not being a meaningful concept in physics.
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Has statistical mechanics anywhere disproven the ancient Greek idea that hard, indestructible objects (the original "atoms"), that experience no force other than that of impacts, can form the substratum of all material bodies and forces?

I've been reading Boltzmann's "Lectures on Gas Theory" (1896, 1898), and he states that his H-Theorem (which purports to show that entropy must always either increase or stay the same) is dependent upon the assumption of molecular chaos, i.e., that at equilibrium, any gas will have its molecules distributed randomly both in terms of position and velocity.

This seems inevitably to be true for the convexly-shaped particles that constitute atoms and even diatomic molecules (their dumbbell shape is still overall convex). But has it been proven to be true for any shaped particle whatsoever?

Specifically, I'm trying to evaluate the feasibility of a interesting model proposed by Frank Meno, which may be viewed at: crackpot link removed
It's an atomistic hypothesis, but postulates that a gas of hot, hard, semi-concave needle-like objects can maintain dynamically stable structures, despite constant collisions with each other, and no attractive forces between them. Does Stat Mech have anything to say about this, other than that we have no precedent for such a gas or for such behavior?
 
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The site you linked is a personal theory. I could not detect a shred of meaningful physics. Do not waste your time attempting to unravel it, it is not worth your while. You would be better off making an efffor to understand the current theories.
 
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I would approach this question by first acknowledging that the Greek atomistic hypothesis was a philosophical idea proposed thousands of years ago and not a scientific theory based on empirical evidence. Therefore, it cannot be disproven by modern scientific methods such as statistical mechanics.

That being said, statistical mechanics is a powerful tool for understanding the behavior of matter at the microscopic level. It allows us to make predictions about the behavior of a large number of particles based on their individual properties and interactions. In this sense, it can shed light on the feasibility of the model proposed by Frank Meno.

The assumption of molecular chaos, as mentioned by Boltzmann, is a fundamental principle of statistical mechanics. It is based on the idea that at equilibrium, the particles in a gas will be randomly distributed in terms of position and velocity. This assumption has been validated by numerous experiments and simulations, and it is a crucial component of many statistical mechanical models.

In regards to the specific model proposed by Frank Meno, it is important to note that statistical mechanics does not have any specific predictions for the behavior of hot, hard, semi-concave needle-like objects. However, it does have general principles that can be applied to any system of particles, such as conservation of energy and momentum. These principles can be used to evaluate the feasibility of the proposed model.

Ultimately, the success of any scientific model or theory depends on its ability to make accurate predictions and explain observed phenomena. While statistical mechanics may not have a direct answer to the question of whether a gas of needle-like objects can maintain stable structures, it can provide a framework for testing and evaluating the proposed model. Further research and experimentation would be necessary to determine the validity of the model and its compatibility with the principles of statistical mechanics.
 

FAQ: Stat Mech vs. Greek atomistic hypothesis?

1. What is Stat Mech?

Statistical mechanics, also known as statistical thermodynamics, is a branch of physics that uses statistical methods to explain and predict the behavior of large systems of particles. It is used to study the thermodynamic properties of matter, such as temperature, pressure, and entropy, at the microscopic level.

2. What is the Greek atomistic hypothesis?

The Greek atomistic hypothesis is an ancient theory that states that all matter is made up of indivisible and indestructible particles called atoms. This theory was first proposed by philosophers such as Democritus and Leucippus, and was later expanded upon by famous scientists such as Aristotle and Epicurus.

3. How are Stat Mech and the Greek atomistic hypothesis related?

Statistical mechanics and the Greek atomistic hypothesis are related in that they both try to explain the behavior and properties of matter at the microscopic level. However, while stat mech uses mathematical and statistical methods to model and predict the behavior of particles in a system, the Greek atomistic hypothesis is more of a philosophical concept.

4. What are the key differences between Stat Mech and the Greek atomistic hypothesis?

The main difference between stat mech and the Greek atomistic hypothesis is that stat mech is a scientific theory that is based on experimental evidence and mathematical models, while the Greek atomistic hypothesis is a philosophical concept that was proposed to explain the nature of matter. Additionally, stat mech is a modern theory that has been developed and refined over time, while the Greek atomistic hypothesis was proposed in ancient times.

5. How do Stat Mech and the Greek atomistic hypothesis impact our understanding of the universe?

Both stat mech and the Greek atomistic hypothesis have greatly impacted our understanding of the universe. Stat mech has helped us understand the behavior and properties of matter at the microscopic level, which has led to advancements in fields such as thermodynamics and materials science. The Greek atomistic hypothesis, on the other hand, has influenced modern scientific theories such as atomic theory and quantum mechanics, and has helped us understand the fundamental building blocks of the universe.

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