Statistical physics - average potential energy and gravity field

In summary, the conversation involves solving a problem and discussing the correct form of average energy, with the expectation that the result should be E_p=\frac{mgl}{2}(1-\frac{mgl}{6kT}). The conversation includes corrections to previous attempts and a demonstration of how to get the expected result.
  • #1
xz5x
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Please help me solve this problem:

Homework Statement

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The attempt at a solution

[PLAIN]http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9531/79093945.jpg


This is my whole procedure:

[PLAIN]http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5706/62291576.jpg

[PLAIN]http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7240/94560340.jpg


This is the expected result:

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  • #2
I can see 2 problems:
1 - The second step in (b) is wrong.
2 - The expected result's dimension is wrong.
 
  • #3
Average energy may be rewriten in the form
[tex]E_p=\frac{1}{\beta}[1-\frac{x}{e^x-1}][/tex]
where
[tex]x={\beta}mgl[/tex]
WolframAlpha for the series gives
[tex]\frac{1}{e^x-1}=\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{2}+\frac{x}{12}[/tex]
and I get
[tex]E_p=\frac{x}{2\beta}(1-\frac{x}{6})[/tex]
 
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@zzzoak

I didn't know that average energy may be rewriten in this form. Can you please show me the procedure of how can I get your average energy from mine?

I see that you got the right result. I'll try to solve the problem with this form of potential energy.
Thank you very much!
 
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@hikaru1221

Thank you for your response!
Yes, the second step in b) is not correct. This is my new result:
[PLAIN]http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4834/85676997.jpg

I can’t get the expected result. Please tell me, is dimension of my new result OK?
 
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  • #6
It is the expect result's dimension that is wrong. I guess this should be the result: [tex]E_p=\frac{mgl}{2}(1-\frac{mgl}{6kT})[/tex].
So in your newest result, just omit the second power of (mgl/kT), you should get the expected result.
 
  • #7
Your equation is
[tex]E_p=\frac{1}{\beta}\frac{1-e^{-x}(1+x)}{1-e^{-x}}=[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{1}{\beta}\frac{1-e^{-x}-xe^{-x}}{1-e^{-x}}=[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{1}{\beta}[1-\frac{xe^{-x}}{1-e^{-x}}]=[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{1}{\beta}[1-\frac{x}{e^{x}-1}][/tex]
 
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@zzzoak

@hikaru1221Thank you very much!
 

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