Stern-Gerlach experiment with orthogonal spin detector

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of embedding a detector within a Stern-Gerlach apparatus to measure the spin of particles along an orthogonal axis without affecting the net EM field. The interaction leading to a collapse in quantum mechanics is considered instantaneous, making it equivalent to performing rapid successive spin measurements along different axes. However, this setup is impractical due to the interference of magnetic fields from the two detectors. A similar thought experiment using polarized photons and polarizing filters leads to the same conclusion.
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Suppose we have a Stern-Gerlach apparatus through which we send spin-1/2 particles and subsequently measure their position. If a passing particle "collapses" to the spin up state about X, it moves "up" and is registered by detector U, otherwise it "collapses" to the spin down state about X and moves "down" and is found by detector D. Now I'm wondering if it's possible to embed the passing particles within another detector S which measures the spin about Y (orthogonal to X) without affecting the net EM field from the Stern-Gerlach magnets around the particle? So a particle along with an "attached" detector S would move through the Stern-Gerlach together. I also want to assume (1) the detector S itself has no magnetic moment (if that's possible) and (2) the detector S can be programmed to measure the spin about Y at a fixed frequency F.

If this setup is somehow feasible, I wonder what would happen when F is large? If we repeatedly measure the spin about Y I assume we must get an answer "up" or "down," but in that case it seems the spin cannot spend time in the states with spin up or down about X and hence it would go straight through the Stern-Gerlach, right? But is it possible for such a particle to go through a Stern-Gerlach detector and not "collapse" to the spin up or spin down state about X?
 
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As far as quantum mechanics is concerned, the interaction that leads to a collapse must be considered instantaneous - there is no "in process" state. This is enforced by the way the mathematical formalism works: there's a "before" state, a bunch of possible "after" states, a rule (the Born rule) for calculating the probability of collapsing into one of the "after" states, but nothing about what happens in between.

Thus, your hypothetical is equivalent to performing spin measurements along different axes in rapid succession. The momentum transfer and hence the particle deflection also happens instantaneously. You could reasonably imagine that the particle is given a kick at the moment of collapse; inertia and the kicks from subsequent measurements will determine the trajectory from there.

In practice such an experiment is completely impractical because the magnetic fields from the two detectors will combine in a way that does something completely different from what you want. A more achievable thought experiment that comes to the same conclusion would use polarized photons passed through a succession of polarizing filters at different angles.
 
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FAQ: Stern-Gerlach experiment with orthogonal spin detector

What is the Stern-Gerlach experiment?

The Stern-Gerlach experiment is a physics experiment that was first conducted in 1922 by Otto Stern and Walther Gerlach. It involves passing a beam of neutral particles through a magnetic field and observing the deflection of the particles. This experiment is important in understanding the concept of quantum mechanics and the properties of subatomic particles.

What is an orthogonal spin detector?

An orthogonal spin detector is a device used to measure the spin of a particle in a specific direction. In the Stern-Gerlach experiment, the detector is placed at a right angle to the direction of the magnetic field, allowing it to detect the spin of the particles as they pass through the field.

How does the Stern-Gerlach experiment work?

In the experiment, a beam of particles with identical properties, such as silver atoms, is passed through a magnetic field. The magnetic field causes the particles to split into two streams, with each stream having a different spin state. The particles are then passed through an orthogonal spin detector, which measures their spin in a specific direction. The result is a distinct pattern of deflection, which provides information about the particles' spin properties.

Why is the Stern-Gerlach experiment important?

The Stern-Gerlach experiment is significant because it was one of the first experiments to provide evidence for the quantization of angular momentum, a fundamental concept in quantum mechanics. It also demonstrated the existence of intrinsic spin in subatomic particles and helped to further our understanding of the behavior of particles on a microscopic level.

What are the applications of the Stern-Gerlach experiment?

The Stern-Gerlach experiment has contributed to various areas of research, including quantum mechanics, atomic physics, and material science. It also has practical applications in technologies such as magnetic storage devices and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) machines. Additionally, the experiment continues to be used in educational settings to demonstrate the principles of quantum mechanics to students.

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