Summing Positive Integers with 2^r3^s

In summary, the conversation discusses the proof that every positive integer can be written as a sum of one or more numbers of the form 2^r3^s, where r and s are nonnegative integers and no summand divides another. The use of induction and recursion are mentioned as possible approaches to proving this statement. The conversation also includes hints for solving the problem.
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Show that every positive integer is a sum of one or more numbers of the form 2^r3^s, where r and s are nonnegative integers and no summand divides another.

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Using induction (1 = 20 30; assuming that k can be written in such a way, then so can k + 1) is the easy part.
You only need to exercise some care with the part that "no summand divides another."

So assuming that all k < n can be written as requested, suppose that you get two terms 2r 3s + 2r + r' 3s + s' and show that they can be written as 2a 3b + 2a' 3b' for appropriate a, b, a' and b'.
 
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nice one man , exactly what i had in mind

congo
 
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CompuChip said:
So assuming that all k < n can be written as requested, suppose that you get two terms 2r 3s + 2r + r' 3s + s' and show that they can be written as 2a 3b + 2a' 3b' for appropriate a, b, a' and b'.
Doesn't work. 1=2030 and 2=2030+1. How do you get from 2=2030+1=1+1 (illegal) to 2=2130 via this? This approach only works for a small number of elements k: 4 and 6, but not 2,3,4, or 7.
 
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Recursion will work here, however. Just not in the simple way that CompuChip mentioned.

I don't know if this is homework, so providing an answer is not appropriate. Some hints are:
  • Recursion is a good idea, with an obvious base case of 1=2030.
  • Game over if n is divisible by 2 or 3 (why?)
That leaves the cases where n is not divisible by either 2 or by 3. I'll leave attacking these as an exercise to the OP.
 

FAQ: Summing Positive Integers with 2^r3^s

What is the purpose of "Summing Positive Integers with 2^r3^s"?

The purpose of this concept is to explore the summing of positive integers that have the form of 2 raised to the power of r multiplied by 3 raised to the power of s. This type of sum has interesting patterns and properties, and can be used in various mathematical calculations.

How do you calculate the sum of positive integers with 2^r3^s?

To calculate the sum, you first need to determine the values of r and s. Then, you can use the formula (2^(r+1)-1)(3^(s+1)-1)/(2-1)(3-1) to find the sum of the integers. For example, if r=2 and s=3, the sum would be (2^(2+1)-1)(3^(3+1)-1)/(2-1)(3-1) = (7)(40)/(1)(2) = 140.

What are the patterns and properties of these sums?

One interesting pattern is that the sum of these integers is always divisible by 6. Additionally, the sum can be written in the form of (2^r-1)(3^s-1), which shows that the sum is a multiple of both 2^r-1 and 3^s-1. Other properties include the sum being an even number when r is odd and an odd number when r is even, and the sum decreasing as r and s increase.

How is this concept relevant in real-world applications?

The concept of summing positive integers with 2^r3^s has various applications in mathematics, computer science, and physics. For example, it can be used in calculating the probabilities of certain events in probability theory, in finding the number of possible combinations in combinatorics, and in analyzing certain algorithms in computer science. It is also relevant in physics, particularly in the study of wave interference and diffraction patterns.

Are there any limitations or drawbacks to using this concept?

One limitation is that this concept can only be applied to a specific type of integers with the form of 2^r3^s. Additionally, the sum can quickly become large and difficult to calculate for large values of r and s. Furthermore, this concept may not be useful in all real-world situations, as it is mainly a mathematical concept and may not have direct practical applications in certain industries.

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