Superposed loads (gunpowder and bullets) igniting simultaneously in a barrel

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In summary, the phenomenon of superposed loads in a barrel involves the simultaneous ignition of gunpowder and bullets, leading to a complex interaction of pressures and forces. This can affect the performance and safety of firearms, as the rapid combustion of gunpowder can create excessive pressure, potentially resulting in barrel failure or unintended projectile behavior. Understanding these dynamics is crucial for developing safer firearms and ammunition designs.
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Look at this picture of two superposed loads:
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Imagine that each bullet weight 150 grains and each gunpowder charge 50 grains.

If the rear load were to be fired first, it would be equal to firing two bullets +the weight of the front gunpowder charge. So a 350 grains bullet with a 50 grains gunpowder charge (if the front gunpowder charge would be compressed by the rear bullet, it might make the rear bullet slam into the front bullet which would then act as a barrel obstruction?).

But if both loads were to be fired simultaneously, will the pressure from the first load prevent the second bullet from escaping, or would it be equal to firing two bullets (300 grains) with one 100 grains gunpowder charge?
 
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But if both loads were to be fired simultaneously, ...
The first ball would travel faster than normal, because it was backed by the second ball and propellant.
The second ball would travel at a slower speed than normal, because the powder ahead of it would reduce its acceleration.
 
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As phrased, this is going to be hard to answer because so much is going to depend on the seriously unpredictable details of exactly how the combustion propagates within the two charges. (And in the unlikely event that you are considering actually trying this.... Don't. These details mean that the outcome is also seriously unpredictable - bursting the barrel and killing someone even after calculations show you have plenty of safety margin is a possibility).

You might try restating the problem with the explosive charges replaced by compressed coil springs - the behavior will be more predictable and easily analyzed.
 
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FAQ: Superposed loads (gunpowder and bullets) igniting simultaneously in a barrel

What are superposed loads in a firearm?

Superposed loads refer to the practice of loading multiple charges of gunpowder and bullets sequentially in a single barrel, with the intention of firing them one after another in rapid succession. This technique was used historically in some multi-shot firearms before the advent of modern repeating mechanisms.

What happens if superposed loads ignite simultaneously?

If superposed loads ignite simultaneously, the pressure inside the barrel can increase to dangerous levels. This can cause the barrel to burst or explode, leading to catastrophic failure of the firearm and potentially causing severe injury to the shooter and bystanders.

Why might superposed loads ignite simultaneously?

Superposed loads might ignite simultaneously due to a failure in the separation between the charges, such as a defective or improperly placed wadding. Additionally, a chain reaction caused by a spark or excessive heat can also lead to simultaneous ignition.

Are modern firearms designed to handle superposed loads?

No, modern firearms are not designed to handle superposed loads. They are engineered for single-charge firing with specific safety tolerances. Loading multiple charges in a modern firearm is extremely dangerous and not recommended under any circumstances.

What safety measures can prevent simultaneous ignition of superposed loads?

To prevent simultaneous ignition of superposed loads, historical firearms using this technique employed careful separation of charges with materials like wadding or paper. Modern safety measures include using firearms designed for single charges and following manufacturer guidelines strictly. Never attempt to load multiple charges in a firearm not specifically designed for such use.

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