Symmetric and Antisymmetric Depiction

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In summary, the conversation discusses two diagrams on a website that show the symmetric and antisymmetric wavefunctions. The text explains that in the latter case, the particles are far away from each other, which relates to the Pauli Exclusion Principle. However, upon closer examination, both diagrams appear to have the same form, just rotated by 90 degrees. The explanation is that the diagrams show the probability density in the x1-x2 plane, with the difference being the location of the white blobs. In the symmetric case, the blobs are located close to each other, while in the antisymmetric case, they are farther apart. The conversation ends with the individual thanking for the clarification and planning to revisit the images and text.
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I was looking at this excellent website this afternoon, and was puzzled by two diagrams showing the symmetric and antisymmetric wavefunctions. In the latter case the text states that the particles are far away from each other, explaining the Pauli Exclusion Principle, etc. But looking at the contour maps showing the density of the particles at a particular location, both symmetric and antisymmetric wavefunctions look identical in form, just rotated by 90 degrees from each other. Here's the page: http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/252/symmetry/Symmetry.html

There must be something perfectly obvious that I'm overlooking here. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Davephaelon said:
In the latter case the text states that the particles are far away from each other, explaining the Pauli Exclusion Principle, etc. But looking at the contour maps showing the density of the particles at a particular location, both symmetric and antisymmetric wavefunctions look identical in form, just rotated by 90 degrees from each other.
But this is the entire point! What is plotted is the probability density in the x1-x2-plane. Look at the two white blobs. For the symmetric case, they are located so that x1 is roughly equal to x2 inside the blobs. For the antisymmetric case, a small x1 implies a large x2 and vice versa. It is not a matter of the blobs being close to each other, it is a matter of how far away from the line x1=x2 the majoriity of the distribution is.
 
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Thank you for the response and explanation. I was away from the computer for a time, and will have to look again at the images, and text, to see exactly what you are saying.
 

Related to Symmetric and Antisymmetric Depiction

1. What is the difference between symmetric and antisymmetric depiction?

Symmetric depiction refers to a visual representation that is balanced and identical on both sides, while antisymmetric depiction is a visual representation that is not balanced and has a distinct difference between the two sides.

2. How are symmetric and antisymmetric depiction used in science?

Symmetric and antisymmetric depiction are used in science to describe the symmetry or asymmetry of molecules, crystal structures, and other physical objects. They are also used to analyze and interpret data, such as in spectroscopy and microscopy.

3. Can symmetric and antisymmetric depiction be observed in nature?

Yes, both symmetric and antisymmetric depiction can be observed in nature. Many living organisms have symmetrical body structures, while natural phenomena such as crystals and snowflakes often exhibit symmetric or antisymmetric patterns.

4. How do scientists determine if a depiction is symmetric or antisymmetric?

Scientists use various techniques, such as x-ray diffraction, to analyze the structure of a molecule or object and determine if it has a symmetric or antisymmetric depiction. Additionally, mathematical calculations can also be used to determine the symmetry or asymmetry of a structure.

5. Are there any practical applications of understanding symmetric and antisymmetric depiction?

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