Tension in the Wire- Thermodynamics Question

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving a horizontal cylindrical tube with two frictionless pistons connected by an inextensible wire. The tension in the wire is calculated after the temperature of the gas inside the tube is raised. The conversation clarifies the misconception that the tension in the wire would be multiplied by two if there was a force on each end, and explains how tension is defined and calculated. It is concluded that if the tension is equal all along the wire, it is also equal to the force on each end. The conversation also addresses the scenario where one end of the wire is fixed to a wall, and confirms that the tension would still be the same due to the reaction force from the wall.
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Cookiey
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Homework Statement


consider a horizontal cylindrical tube of cross sectional area A fitted with two frictionless pistons. The piston are connected to each other by an inextensible wire. Initially, the temperature of the gas is To and its pressure is Po which equals the atmospheric pressure. Find the tension in the wire if the temperature is raised to 3To.

Homework Equations


(P1V1)/T1=(P2V2)/T2

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the above equation; as volume is constant, new pressure P'=3Po. So, force applied on one piston=3PoA

Equating with the force from atmospheric pressure outside the tube,
3PoA=PoA+T
So T=2PoA ; which is the required answer.

My question is, isn't this the force on one cross section of the wire? So why isn't this answer multiplied by two?

Thank you for your time!
 
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It's a common mistake to think that if there's a pull F on each end of the wire then the tension must be 2F.
You need to understand how tension is defined. If we say that the tension is T at some point in a wire (need not be the same all along the wire) we mean that if you were to insert a block at that point in the wire the block would experience a pull T on each side. Thus, if the tension is the same all the way along then it is also equal to the force exerted at each end.
Is that your question?
 
  • #3
haruspex said:
It's a common mistake to think that if there's a pull F on each end of the wire then the tension must be 2F.
You need to understand how tension is defined. If we say that the tension is T at some point in a wire (need not be the same all along the wire) we mean that if you were to insert a block at that point in the wire the block would experience a pull T on each side. Thus, if the tension is the same all the way along then it is also equal to the force exerted at each end.
Is that your question?

Yes, thank you very much! So if there /is/ such a wire which is experiencing a force F on both sides, and assuming it experiences equal tension everywhere; the tension would be F?
 
  • #4
Cookiey said:
Yes, thank you very much! So if there /is/ such a wire which is experiencing a force F on both sides, and assuming it experiences equal tension everywhere; the tension would be F?
Yes.
 
  • #5
And if one end of this wire was fixed to a wall and force F was applied on the free end, it would still experience the same tension F as in the earlier case because of reaction force from the wall?
 
  • #6
Cookiey said:
And if one end of this wire was fixed to a wall and force F was applied on the free end, it would still experience the same tension F as in the earlier case because of reaction force from the wall?
Yes.
 
  • #7
Chestermiller said:
Yes.
All right, thank you very much!
 

FAQ: Tension in the Wire- Thermodynamics Question

What is tension in a wire?

Tension in a wire is the force that is applied to the wire in order to stretch it. It is the pulling force that is transmitted through the wire as a response to an applied load.

How is tension in a wire related to thermodynamics?

Tension in a wire is related to thermodynamics because it involves the transfer of energy and the change in the wire's physical properties, such as its length and temperature, due to the applied force.

What factors affect tension in a wire?

There are several factors that can affect tension in a wire, including the applied load, the material and diameter of the wire, and the temperature of the wire.

What is the formula to calculate tension in a wire?

The formula to calculate tension in a wire is T = F/A, where T is the tension, F is the applied force, and A is the cross-sectional area of the wire.

How does tension in a wire affect its strength and durability?

Tension in a wire can affect its strength and durability by causing it to stretch and potentially weaken over time. If the tension exceeds the wire's maximum load capacity, it can lead to permanent deformation or even breakage.

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