The Distance between two points in a hypothetical universe

In summary, the conversation discusses a hypothetical universe where the distance between two points in spacetime is defined by a line element similar to Minkowski space. The space in this universe grows quadratically with time, but it is not a true Minkowski space. The question posed is whether it is possible to find the distance between two points given the time between them, and if so, what the formula would be. The speaker also mentions that the universe would not actually grow quadratically if the scale factor was moved to the spatial part, and that this hypothetical universe could be considered a coasting universe.
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I have a hypothetical universe where the distance between two points in spacetime is defined as:
$$ds^2 =−(\phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$Where ##\phi## has units of ##km s^{-2}##. The space in this universe grows quadratically with time (and, as I understand it, probably isn’t Minkowski space). A particle traveling at the speed of causality, c, will follow this contour from point O to point P.

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Given the time between point O and point Q, is it possible to find the distance from point Q to point P (e.g. does a function exist such that ##f(\Delta t) = d_L##). If so, what is the formula?
 

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What you have written down is just the line element of Minkowski space in different coordinates. Is it what you intended to write or did you intend it to be a RW universe?

DAirey said:
The space in this universe grows quadratically with time (and, as I understand it, probably isn’t Minkowski space).
"Space" is relative and not something that is uniquely defined for a spacetime. It is a concept that belongs to the coordinates. See my PF Insight on the topic. Furthermore, "space" can never be Minkowski space as Minkowski space is a 4-dimensional spacetime.

DAirey said:
Given the time between point O and point Q, is it possible to find the distance from point Q to point P (e.g. does a function exist such that f(Δt)=dLf(Δt)=dLf(\Delta t) = d_L). If so, what is the formula?
Is the question you intended to ask "how can I find the proper distance to the point where the light signal is after a time ##\Delta t## (with the usual caveats on what this means). Note that this is not a luminosity distance (which is what is usually denoted ##d_L##. Also, your figure shows an expanding circle, not an expanding flat space as in your metric (if corrected to be a RW metric).

Edit: Additionally, note that even if you move the scale factor to the spatial part your universe will not grow quadratically. The RW metric scale factors enters squared in the line element and so your universe would grow linearly. Also note that if you move your current scale factor to the spatial oart, then you have a coasting universe, which is again just Minkowski space in different coordinates.
 

FAQ: The Distance between two points in a hypothetical universe

1. What is the formula for calculating the distance between two points in a hypothetical universe?

The formula for calculating the distance between two points in a hypothetical universe is the same as the formula for calculating the distance in our universe, which is the Pythagorean theorem: d = √((x2-x1)^2 + (y2-y1)^2 + (z2-z1)^2), where (x1,y1,z1) and (x2,y2,z2) are the coordinates of the two points.

2. Does the distance between two points in a hypothetical universe follow the same laws of physics as our universe?

It is currently unknown whether the laws of physics in a hypothetical universe would be the same as in our universe. However, the formula for calculating distance between two points remains the same, as it is based on mathematical principles rather than physical laws.

3. Can the distance between two points in a hypothetical universe be negative?

The distance between two points in a hypothetical universe can be negative, just like in our universe. This can happen if the two points are in opposite directions or if they are on different sides of a reference point. The distance is always considered to be positive when calculating.

4. Is the concept of distance between two points the same in a hypothetical universe as it is in our universe?

The concept of distance between two points is a fundamental mathematical concept and is the same in any universe. However, the units of measurement for distance may differ in a hypothetical universe, as they are based on our physical laws and reference points.

5. Does the distance between two points in a hypothetical universe affect the speed of light?

It is currently unknown if the speed of light in a hypothetical universe would be the same as in our universe. However, the distance between two points would not directly affect the speed of light, as it is a constant value defined by the laws of physics in each universe.

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