The Enduring Power of Nature: Hydroelectric Dam

In summary, the conversation discusses various machines and mechanisms that have been running for a long time without interruption or servicing. Examples include Big Ben, the universe, the Hoover Dam, Voyager I, and various ancient water wheels and pipe organs. There is also mention of an ongoing project to play the longest piece of organ music on a new pipe organ. The conversation also raises questions about what qualifies as a "mechanism" and whether older structures like Stonehenge and the Pyramids should be considered.
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has been running for the longest time, i thought maybe a hydroelectric dam
 
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Hasn't Big Ben been running for a long time, or does a clock not count?
 
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Evo said:
Hasn't Big Ben been running for a long time, or does a clock not count?

I never thought about big ben, but i think it has had several major overhauls to keep it running.
 
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In 2001, the WMAP data was used to compute that the universe has been running like clockwork for 13,750,000,000 years. So now, in 2010 the universe has been running for 13,750,000,009 years without interruption.
 
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Jimmy Snyder said:
In 2001, the WMAP data was used to compute that the universe has been running like clockwork for 13,750,000,000 years. So now, in 2010 the universe has been running for 13,750,000,009 years without interruption.

I doubt that is how dating methods work. If I remember correctly, the margin of error for the age of the universe is something like ± 0.13 billion years.
 
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wolram said:
I never thought about big ben, but i think it has had several major overhauls to keep it running.
You're unlikely to find any mechanical devices continuously running for more than a few decades without a "major overhaul". The Hoover Dam was built in ~1930 but it has had its turbines upgraded, for example.
 
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If we are talking about the oldest machine still operating without servicing, then perhaps the Voyager I is nearing top of the list.

I was thinking that there may be a few pendulums, hand pumps, and water wheels, that would be contenders for the longest operating without servicing, though perhaps not continuously operating. In particular, I am thinking there may be a few very old, seriously over-built water wheels found around the world.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
If we are talking about the oldest machine still operating without servicing, then perhaps the Voyager I is nearing top of the list.
Pioneer 10 is in the lead by 5 years and some change.
 
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Mkorr said:
I doubt that is how dating methods work. If I remember correctly, the margin of error for the age of the universe is something like ± 0.13 billion years.
I stand corrected. There is a margin of error of 130,000,009 years in my number.
 
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Big Ben isn't a clock, and it's pretty modern compared with many cathedral and church clocks.
 
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Here's a mechanical clock that is over 700 years old and still working. http://www.wellscathedral.org.uk/history/presentbuilding/theclock.shtml

One of the earliest pipe organs in playable working order (and still at its original location) dates from 1361. To celebrate its survival, a project has been started to perform what is (probably) the longest piece of organ music ever concieved (started in 2001, scheduled to end in 2639) on a new pipe organ at the same location. http://www.john-cage.halberstadt.de/new/index.php?l=e

I guess things like Stonehenge and the Pyramids don't count, since the only moving part of the mechanism is the Earth (or as the original builders would have said, the sun),
 
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I can almost swear that I saw something somewhere (maybe History Channel) about a waterwheel/pump combination in either Iran or Iraq that goes back to Roman times and is still functional. My memory just isn't up to placing it, though.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
...I was thinking that there may be a few pendulums, hand pumps, and water wheels, that would be contenders for the longest operating without servicing...

Does a bell count as a pendulum or mechanism? Surely there has to be an old bell somewhere that's been hanging around a long time. Doors, buoys, bridges, ovens, teapots and slingshots may also be on a fuzzy line between static and dynamic mechanical systems.

Drawing a bow and winding a clock is quite similar mechanically, with catapults and trebuchets making a clear bridge between the two.
 
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FAQ: The Enduring Power of Nature: Hydroelectric Dam

What is a hydroelectric dam?

A hydroelectric dam is a large structure built to harness the power of moving water, typically from a river or waterfall, and convert it into electricity. The dam contains turbines that are turned by the force of the water, which in turn generates electricity.

How does a hydroelectric dam work?

Water is stored in a reservoir behind the dam. When the dam gates are opened, gravity pulls the water through the turbines, causing them to spin. The spinning turbines then power generators, which convert the mechanical energy into electricity that can be distributed to homes and businesses.

What are the environmental impacts of hydroelectric dams?

Hydroelectric dams can have both positive and negative impacts on the environment. On the positive side, they produce clean, renewable energy without emitting greenhouse gases. However, they can also disrupt the natural flow of rivers, impact fish populations, and displace wildlife and human communities. It is important for careful planning and management to minimize these impacts.

What are the benefits of hydroelectric dams?

Hydroelectric dams have several benefits, including providing a reliable source of renewable energy, reducing reliance on fossil fuels, and helping to mitigate the effects of climate change. They also provide flood control, irrigation for agriculture, and recreational opportunities such as fishing and boating.

What are the challenges associated with building and operating hydroelectric dams?

Building and operating hydroelectric dams can be challenging due to the high costs and technical expertise required. They also often face opposition from environmental groups and local communities who are concerned about the potential impacts on the environment and their way of life. Maintenance and upkeep of the dams can also be costly and require skilled personnel.

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