The equipotential surface of a system of two unequal charges

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How equation ##\left(x+\frac{d}{k^2-1}\right)^2+y^2=\left(\frac{kd}{k^2-1}\right)^2## is obtained?
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$$\frac{r_1^2}{r_2^2}=k^2=\frac{(d-x)^2+y^2}{x^2+y^2}$$
$$\left(x+\frac{d}{k^2-1}\right)^2+y^2=\left(\frac{kd}{k^2-1}\right)^2$$
We have a system of two unequal oppositely charged point charges, of which ##q_2## is smaller and ##d## is the distance between charges. There is an equipotential spherical surface of potential ##V=0## that encloses a charge of lesser absolute value. The task is to find parameters of that spherical surface, or more precisely circle, since the system is of course illustrated in two dimensions.

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First we take into consideration arbitrary point ##M(x,y)## where ##V=\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon}\left(\frac{q_1}{r_1}+\frac{q_2}{r_2}\right)##. If we use ##V=0## it's easy to obtain ##\frac{r_1}{r_2}=-\frac{q_1}{q_2}=k## where ##k## is coeficcient of proportionality.

From the illustration, we can see that ##r_1^2=(d-x)^2+y^2## and ##r_2^2=x^2+y^2##. Then we have ##\frac{r_1^2}{r_2^2}=k^2=\frac{(d-x)^2+y^2}{x^2+y^2}## from which ##\left(x+\frac{d}{k^2-1}\right)^2+y^2=\left(\frac{kd}{k^2-1}\right)^2## is obtained. This equation is the equation of a circle shown in the illustration with coordinates of the circle center ##x_0=-\frac{d}{k^2-1}##, (##|x_0|=\frac{d}{k^2-1}##), and ##y_0=0##. The radius of the circle (equipotential sphere) is ##R=\frac{kd}{k^2-1}=k|x_0|##. How the equation ##\left(x+\frac{d}{k^2-1}\right)^2+y^2=\left(\frac{kd}{k^2-1}\right)^2## is derived?

For ##q_1## we have ##q_1=2Q##
and for ##q_2## we have ##q_2=−Q## which gives ##k=2##, but I don't see how that can help. Also, this problem uses the method of image charges because it comes after the lesson in my textbook where the method of image charges is explained.
 

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Hi,

I think your question

R A V E N said:
How the equation ##\left(x+\frac{d}{k^2-1}\right)^2+y^2=\left(\frac{kd}{k^2-1}\right)^2## is derived?
is asking to explain the steps in 'from which'
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Then we have ##\ \frac{r_1^2}{r_2^2}=k^2=\frac{(d-x)^2+y^2}{x^2+y^2}\ ##from which ##\ \left(x+\frac{d}{k^2-1}\right)^2+y^2=\left(\frac{kd}{k^2-1}\right)^2\ ## is obtained
right ?

Well, with $$\begin{align*}
k^2&=\frac{(d-x)^2+y^2}{x^2+y^2}\\ \mathstrut \\
k^2 x^2 + k^2 y^2&=x^2 -2dx +d^2 +y^2\\ \mathstrut \\
(k^2-1) x^2 + 2dx -d^2 + (k^2-1) y^2&=0\\ \mathstrut \\
x^2 + \left ({2d\over k^2-1} \right ) \,x - {d^2\over k^2-1} + y^2&=0\\ \mathstrut \\
\left (x + {d\over k^2-1} \right)^2 -\left ({d\over k^2-1}\right )^2 - {d^2\over k^2-1} +y^2 &=0\\ \mathstrut \\
\left (x + {d\over k^2-1} \right)^2 +y^2 &=\left ({d\over k^2-1}\right )^2 + {d^2\over k^2-1}\\ \mathstrut \\
\left (x + {d\over k^2-1} \right)^2 +y^2 &={d^2\over\left ( {k^2-1}\right )^2} + {d^2\left ( k^2-1\right ) \over \left (k^2-1\right )^2} \\ \mathstrut \\
\left (x + {d\over k^2-1} \right)^2 +y^2 &=\left ({dk\over k^2-1} \right )^2
\end{align*}$$
 
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Yes! Thank you very much! Very creative and intelligent answer!
 
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It's not rocket science,, just a bit of high school math -- and I was really glad the target expression was given.

It also was a good ##\LaTeX## exercise :smile:

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Related to The equipotential surface of a system of two unequal charges

What is an equipotential surface?

An equipotential surface is a three-dimensional surface on which the electric potential is the same at every point. For a system of charges, it means that a test charge can move anywhere on this surface without any work being done by or against the electric field.

How do the equipotential surfaces look for a system of two unequal charges?

For a system of two unequal charges, the equipotential surfaces are distorted spheres. Near each charge, the surfaces resemble spheres centered on that charge, but the shapes become more complex as you move away. The surfaces are closer together near the larger charge, indicating a stronger electric field in that region.

Why are the equipotential surfaces closer to the larger charge?

The equipotential surfaces are closer to the larger charge because the electric field is stronger there. The electric potential changes more rapidly in regions of stronger electric fields, which is why the surfaces are closer together near the larger charge.

Can equipotential surfaces intersect or cross each other?

No, equipotential surfaces cannot intersect or cross each other. If they did, it would imply that a point in space has two different electric potentials at the same time, which is impossible.

How can equipotential surfaces be used to understand the electric field in a system of two unequal charges?

Equipotential surfaces help visualize the electric field by showing regions of equal potential. The electric field lines are always perpendicular to the equipotential surfaces. By examining the spacing and shape of these surfaces, one can infer the strength and direction of the electric field in different regions of the system.

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