The last step of this Green's function proof is not clear

In summary, the final step of the Green's function proof lacks clarity, making it difficult to fully understand the conclusion drawn from the preceding arguments.
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In QFTftGA, Lancaster and Blundell show in a (1+1) dimensional spacetime that the function ##G^+## is a Green's function for the Schrodinger equation. I need the last step of this derivation to be clarified.
Here is the conclusion of the derivation in question:

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where ##\phi_n## are eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian.

I don't see how at the very end the ##\sum ...## becomes ##\delta (x-y)##. What do I miss?
 
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P.S. I thought of a way, but not sure in it:

1. For ##t_x-t_y \neq 0##, the expression vanishes because of the ##\delta (t_x-t_y)## in front.
2. For ##t_x-t_y = 0##,
##\sum_n \phi_n(x) \phi_n^*(y)=\sum_n \langle x| n\rangle \langle n|y \rangle = \langle x|y \rangle = \delta(x-y)##

I am not sure because the eigenstates ##|n \rangle## in the two brackets are at different times.
 
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Hill said:
the eigenstates |n⟩ in the two brackets are at different times
Oh, sorry, they are not, in the case 2.
Solved.
Forget about it :smile: .
 
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For future reference: Hit the identity with a wavefunction f(y) and integrate over y. The integral gives a factor
</phi_n | f> giving the expansion of f(x) in the {/phi_n} basis. This is exactly what a delta function would do.

(On the phone so no fancy tex code)

Weird that the authors don't explain these steps in a book for "amateurs".
 
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haushofer said:
For future reference: Hit the identity with a wavefunction f(y) and integrate over y. The integral gives a factor
</phi_n | f> giving the expansion of f(x) in the {/phi_n} basis. This is exactly what a delta function would do.
I'm sorry, could you elaborate, please? I did not understand it in words.
 
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We start from the sum ##\sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y)## where the ##\phi_n (x)## form an orthonormal basis. Hit this expression with a function f(y) and integrate over y:

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy##

Now use that

##\int \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = <\phi_n | f> = c_n## ("Fourier's trick)

such that

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = \sum_n c_n \phi_n (x) ##

This is just the expansion of ##f(x)##, so indeed

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = f(x)##

With other words:

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = \int \delta (x-y)f(y)dy##

So under the integral sign we have the equality

##\sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) = \delta(x-y)##

:)
 
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haushofer said:
We start from the sum ##\sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y)## where the ##\phi_n (x)## form an orthonormal basis. Hit this expression with a function f(y) and integrate over y:

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy##

Now use that

##\int \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = <\phi_n | f> = c_n## ("Fourier's trick)

such that

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = \sum_n c_n \phi_n (x) ##

This is just the expansion of ##f(x)##, so indeed

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = f(x)##

With other words:

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = \int \delta (x-y)f(y)dy##

So under the integral sign we have the equality

##\sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) = \delta(x-y)##

:)
Thank you!
 
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Hill said:
TL;DR Summary: In QFTftGA, Lancaster and Blundell show in a (1+1) dimensional spacetime that the function ##G^+## is a Green's function for the Schrodinger equation. I need the last step of this derivation to be clarified.

Here is the conclusion of the derivation in question:

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where ##\phi_n## are eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian.

I don't see how at the very end the ##\sum ...## becomes ##\delta (x-y)##. What do I miss?
Because of the factor ##\delta(t_x-t_y)## you can set ##t_x=t_y## in the rest of the expression on the right-hand side. This leads to
$$\sum_n \phi_n(x) \phi_n^*(y)=\sum_n \langle x|\phi_n \rangle \langle \phi_n |y\rangle = \langle x|y \rangle= \delta(x-y),$$
where I made use of the completeness of the energy eigenstates,
$$\sum_n |\phi_n \rangle \langle \phi_n=\hat{1},$$
and the normalization of the (generalized) position eigenvectors "to a ##\delta## distribution".
 
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