The Mysterious 8.88 ft-lbs: A Man in Space Story

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In summary, the conversation discusses the scenario of a man firing a CO2 pellet rifle in space, where the pellet has a velocity of 500 fps and a kinetic energy of 4.44 ft-lbs. The man's friend then flies by at the same velocity and trajectory, catches the pellet, and fires it back at 500 fps, resulting in a perceived increase of energy from 4.44 ft-lbs to 17.76 ft-lbs. The conversation explores the concept of frame transformation and how it affects the perception of energy and velocity. Ultimately, it is suggested that energy has mass and therefore requires an exponential addition of energy to increase the velocity.
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Eyesaw said:
Yes, you showed that the second firing did 3 times more work, but did you show why 3 times more work didn't add 3 times more velocity to the pellet? No, the only answer you could give was that because K.E. is defined to be 1/2mv^2.
Huh? Given the definition of work ([itex]\vec{F}\cdot \vec{s}[/itex]), and an understanding of Newton's laws, one derives the fact that [itex]W = \Delta (1/2mv^2)[/itex]. Yes, we call that quantity "Kinetic Energy", but regardless of the name it is still [itex]1/2mv^2[/itex].
If K.E. was undefined and you started from rest and applied a constant force over 1 distance unit to achieve a velocity v for a particular mass, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that if you applied the same force over 2 distances, you should achieve a final velocity of 2v?
Not if you understand Newton's laws. A force can both do work on a particle leading to a change in KE and exert an impulse ([itex]\vec {F}\Delta t[/itex]) on a particle leading to a change in momentum.
 
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Eyesaw said:
...You thought the right brick came to rest but it didn't since it has a final kinetic energy of -1.0mv^2.

In my universe, macroscopic kinetic objects cannot have negative energy; therefore I will waste no more time on this matter since you appear to be inhabiting some other universe in which bricks can have negative energy.

Bruce
 
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