Thermodynamics and adiabatic lines -- Prove this statement

In summary, the discussion revolves around the behavior of adiabatic paths for different ideal gas systems. The equations provided are for two different systems, and in order for the adiabats to intersect, the value of gamma must be the same for both systems. However, if the two systems are different (e.g. monatomic vs diatomic), then their adiabats will intersect. The problem statement does not specify the type of ideal gas, so a proof independent of the nature of the system is required.
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Homework Statement
Show that two adiabatic lines on a PV diagram cannot intersect.
Relevant Equations
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I tried by one way, seems ok and makes sense, but i am not sure if it is valid yet.
$$P_{a} = c_{a}V_{a}^{(-\gamma_{a})}$$
$$P_{b} = c_{b}V_{b}^{(-\gamma_{b})}$$
$$(Pa,va = Pb,vb)$$
$$\frac{c_{a}}{c_{b}} =\frac{[V_{b}^{-\gamma_{b}}]}{[V_{a}^{-\gamma_{a}}]} = V^{-\gamma_{b}+\gamma{a}}$$

Now this fraction need to be constant. But, since V varies, the only possible way to do it constant is gamma a = gamma b, but so we will end with the same curve. So it intersects only and only if the adiabats are the same.

What do you think?
 
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You seem to be reasonable.
 
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The problem statement does not mention that you can assume that you’re dealing with ideal gases. Are you meant to give a proof that is independent of the nature of the system?

I think the problem is asking you to prove that two different adiabatic paths for the same system cannot cross. Surely you can have two different systems such that an adiabatic path of one system crosses an adiabatic path of the other system on a PV diagram.

If your two equations ##P_a= c_a V_a^{-\gamma_a} ## and ##P_b= c_b V_b^{-\gamma_b}## refer to the same ideal gas system, then ##\gamma_a ## must equal ##\gamma_b## since ##\gamma## is determined by the particular type of ideal gas. If the two equations refer to different ideal gas systems with, say, one system monatomic and the other system diatomic, then any adiabat of one gas will intersect any adiabat of the other gas.
 
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FAQ: Thermodynamics and adiabatic lines -- Prove this statement

What is thermodynamics?

Thermodynamics is the branch of physics that deals with the relationships between heat, work, temperature, and energy. It studies how these factors affect and transform different forms of energy.

What are adiabatic lines?

Adiabatic lines are imaginary lines on a thermodynamic diagram that represent the changes in temperature and pressure of a gas as it undergoes an adiabatic process. These lines show the relationship between the two variables and how they change without any heat being added or removed from the system.

What does it mean to prove a statement in thermodynamics?

To prove a statement in thermodynamics means to use mathematical equations and principles to demonstrate the validity of a given statement or theory. This involves using experimental data and calculations to support the statement and show that it is consistent with the laws of thermodynamics.

How can the statement about adiabatic lines be proven?

The statement about adiabatic lines can be proven by using the first and second laws of thermodynamics, as well as the ideal gas law. By applying these principles to a gas undergoing an adiabatic process, the relationship between temperature and pressure can be shown to follow a specific pattern, which is represented by the adiabatic lines on a thermodynamic diagram.

What is the significance of adiabatic lines in thermodynamics?

Adiabatic lines are significant in thermodynamics because they help us understand the behavior of gases undergoing adiabatic processes. They also allow us to visualize the relationship between temperature and pressure in these processes, which is crucial in many applications, such as in the design of engines and refrigeration systems.

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