Thermodynamics/gravity/CFT correspondence

In summary, Sean Carroll and Grant Remmen argue that both thermodynamic gravity and conformal field theory could be true. However, they find it difficult to justify the assumption of entropy in thermodynamic gravity, and this obstacle may be a barrier to developing this theory further.
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Some evidence (Bekenstein, Hawking, Jacobson, Verlinde, ...) points to the idea that gravity is really a thermodynamic theory in disguise. Other evidence (Susskind, Maldacena, Witten, ...) points to the idea that gravity is dual to a lower dimensional conformal field theory (CFT). Are these two ideas mutually compatible? Can they both be true, and does it mean that some CFT's are really thermodynamic theories in disguise?
 
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Evidence?

Any particular papers?
 
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I don't know if they can both be true, but they can both be wrong.
 
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"Evidence" to me is something you get in a lab. I am not sure we have that here.
 
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Is that evidence? Or is it an observation?

Relativistic thermodynaics is troublesome. How does temperature transform? You get different answers depending on how you define it - equivalent formulations for non-relativistic thermodynamics give different answers when extended.

The field has pretty much finessed this by avoiding this - e.g. dealing only with the rest frame or observing (there, that word again) that we never have two objects at high relative speed interacting and being in equilibrium at the same time. So maybe it doesn't matter.

Gravity has its own issues - you can't sensibly quantize it, dark energy is poorly understood, and there are huge swaths of untested parameter space: the reason MOND hasn't been swatted like a bug is that you can't build a MOND-swatter in a lab.

So could there by a deep relationship between two poorly understood theories? I guess. Just not sure what good it does. Like the old joke about the Siamese-Swahili dictionary - if you know one language you can learn the other!
 
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Some evidence (Bekenstein, Hawking, Jacobson, Verlinde, ...) points to the idea that gravity is really a thermodynamic theory in disguise. Other evidence (Susskind, Maldacena, Witten, ...) points to the idea that gravity is dual to a lower dimensional conformal field theory (CFT). Are these two ideas mutually compatible? Can they both be true, and does it mean that some CFT's are really thermodynamic theories in disguise?
This seems amenable to reasonably straightforward theoretical analysis. I wonder if anyone's every written a paper on it.

Both thermodynamic theories and conformal field theories have well defined mathematical properties. There are equations that define thermodynamics at a very fundamental and universal level, and a conformal field theory is a field theory that preserve angles.

It isn't trivially obvious, however, if this is or is not true.
 
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https://arxiv.org/abs/1601.07558
What is the Entropy in Entropic Gravity?
Sean M. Carroll, Grant N. Remmen
We investigate theories in which gravity arises as a consequence of entropy. We distinguish between two approaches to this idea: holographic gravity, in which Einstein's equation arises from keeping entropy stationary in equilibrium under variations of the geometry and quantum state of a small region, and thermodynamic gravity, in which Einstein's equation emerges as a local equation of state from constraints on the area of a dynamical lightsheet in a fixed spacetime background. Examining holographic gravity, we argue that its underlying assumptions can be justified in part using recent results on the form of the modular energy in quantum field theory. For thermodynamic gravity, on the other hand, we find that it is difficult to formulate a self-consistent definition of the entropy, which represents an obstacle for this approach. This investigation points the way forward in understanding the connections between gravity and entanglement.
 
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FAQ: Thermodynamics/gravity/CFT correspondence

What is the thermodynamics/gravity/CFT correspondence?

The thermodynamics/gravity/CFT correspondence, often referred to as the AdS/CFT correspondence, is a theoretical framework that posits a relationship between a type of quantum field theory (Conformal Field Theory, or CFT) and a gravitational theory in a higher-dimensional space (typically Anti-de Sitter space, or AdS). This duality suggests that certain properties of black holes and other gravitational systems can be described by the thermodynamics of a lower-dimensional quantum field theory.

How does the AdS/CFT correspondence relate to black hole thermodynamics?

The AdS/CFT correspondence provides a way to understand the thermodynamics of black holes by mapping these gravitational systems to a conformal field theory. For example, the entropy of a black hole, which is proportional to its event horizon area, can be described by the entropy of the corresponding CFT. This correspondence helps in studying phenomena like Hawking radiation and black hole entropy from a quantum field theory perspective.

What is the significance of the holographic principle in this context?

The holographic principle is a key concept in the AdS/CFT correspondence. It suggests that all the information contained within a volume of space can be represented as a theory on the boundary of that space. In the context of AdS/CFT, this means that a gravitational theory in a higher-dimensional AdS space can be described by a CFT on its lower-dimensional boundary, effectively "holographing" the higher-dimensional physics onto a lower-dimensional surface.

What are some applications of the AdS/CFT correspondence?

The AdS/CFT correspondence has applications across various fields of theoretical physics. It has provided insights into the behavior of strongly coupled quantum systems, such as quark-gluon plasma in quantum chromodynamics (QCD). It has also been used to study condensed matter systems, including superconductors and quantum phase transitions. Additionally, it offers a framework for exploring quantum gravity and the nature of spacetime.

What are the challenges or limitations of the AdS/CFT correspondence?

While the AdS/CFT correspondence is a powerful theoretical tool, it has limitations and challenges. One major challenge is extending the correspondence to spaces that are not asymptotically AdS, such as our universe, which is better described by de Sitter space. Additionally, the correspondence is well-understood in specific cases, such as AdS5/CFT4, but generalizing it to other dimensions and more complex systems remains an ongoing area of research. Furthermore, the correspondence is primarily a theoretical construct, and experimental verification remains challenging.

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