Torque applied on a vise screw (problem includes friction)

In summary, the book gives the correct answer for the force needed to release the handle, but the input and output numbers do not match.
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Homework Statement
Friction applied on screws (power screw)
Relevant Equations
M=r∙W∙tan⁡(∅s+θ)
θ=tan^(-1)⁡(l∕2πr)
∅s=tan^(-1)⁡〖(F∕N) = tan^(-1)⁡μs 〗
Hello all,

I need some help with a problem at statics, friction applied on threads. A threaded screw is given a ("horizontal") force of 100 N at the end of the handle. As the exercise states, they ask to calculate the force which occurs at the tube as well as the force needed to vise handle to release is.

With the formulas:
M=r∙W∙tan⁡(∅s+θ)
θ=tan^(-1)⁡(l∕2πr)
∅s=tan^(-1)⁡〖(F∕N) = tan^(-1)⁡μs 〗

First I calculated the Torque (which is M in the formula), M = 100 N * 250 = 25000 Nmm. The angles are found by using the mean diameter and friction coefficient of 0.3.
I founded the force W of 3.84 kN which is correct. But for the second question, the books gives a solution of 73.3 kN of force is needed to release the vise handle and I can't figure out how to solve this.

Hopefully someone can help.

Thanks in advance!

Power_Screw_Problem_ViseImage_01.jpg

Power_screw_problem_sketched_02.jpg
 
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  • #2
In order to release the handle, a force will have to create a counter-clockwise torque of sufficient magnitude to overcome the static friction between the screw-nut threads that has been created by the axial force between vise and tube (disregarding friction between the tube and the end of the screw).
 
  • #3
Lnewqban said:
In order to release the handle, a force will have to create a counter-clockwise torque of sufficient magnitude to overcome the static friction between the screw-nut threads that has been created by the axial force between vise and tube (disregarding friction between the tube and the end of the screw).
Hi Lnewqban,

Thank you for the response :)

I tried to apply the notes you provided from the point of view I do understand. Unfortunately the outcome doesn't compare to the solution, see below:

Power_Screw_Force_CCW.jpg
 
  • #4
After a lot of attempts and this great video:

I have at least found amount of 73,3 N force needed to release the vise (see picture below). But to be honest, I can't place the steps taken to find the outcome. The Force F in the sketch is given in my book as: M/r (?). Besides, how did that formula F= (R/r)*Fpush arises? I found as outcome Fpush = 73,3 N instead of 73,3 kN??

Power_Screw_Force_Loosen_Clamp.jpg


Hopefully someone could help here.

Thanks
 
  • #5
The input and output numbers of the problem do not match.
Without considering kinetic friction, the force on the tube should be 31416 N if applying the shown torque of 25 N-m.
Could you post a picture of the original text of the problem?
 
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The text is in Dutch, makes that sense to you? - I have translated it below in English
 
  • #7
"The machine clamp is used in order to hold the tube in position. At the end of the 250 mm long handle there will be a horizontal force of 100 N, determine the pressing force F that arises at the tube. The square threadings has an average diameter of 37.5mm and a pitch of 5 mm. How many force is perpendicular needed in order to release the handle? Suppose μs = 0.3"
 
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Thank you.
Does the book give you the correct answers for both forces?
 
  • #9
Lnewqban said:
Thank you.
Does the book give you the correct answers for both forces?
The book gives F = 3.84 kN (which I have correct), and P = 73.3 kN (I got 73.3 N here). I am doubting doing it on the correct way. I have both value's but can't verify the correct use of formulas...
 
  • #10
Lnewqban said:
Thank you.
Does the book give you the correct answers for both forces?
@Lnewqban, could you please explain how this problem should be solved in the correct way? I does not feel comfortable with the way of working I have done now and doesn't feel I do understand it yet...
 

FAQ: Torque applied on a vise screw (problem includes friction)

What is torque applied on a vise screw?

Torque is a measure of the rotational force applied to an object. In the case of a vise screw, it is the force used to turn the screw and tighten or loosen the vise.

How is torque calculated for a vise screw?

To calculate torque on a vise screw, you need to know the force applied and the distance from the axis of rotation to the point where the force is applied. The formula for torque is T = F x d, where T is torque, F is force, and d is distance.

How does friction affect torque on a vise screw?

Friction is a force that resists motion between two surfaces in contact. In the case of a vise screw, friction between the screw and the vise can make it harder to turn the screw and require more torque to achieve the desired tightening or loosening.

What is the importance of considering friction when applying torque on a vise screw?

Considering friction is important because it can significantly affect the amount of torque needed to tighten or loosen a vise screw. Ignoring friction can lead to inaccurate calculations and potentially cause damage to the vise or the object being held in it.

How can friction be reduced when applying torque on a vise screw?

There are several ways to reduce friction when applying torque on a vise screw. One way is to lubricate the screw and the vise to reduce the amount of friction between them. Another way is to use a vise with a ball bearing screw, which can reduce friction and make it easier to turn the screw.

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