Transforming a 4-vector integration measure

In summary, the conversation discusses changing the integration measure of a four-vector integral to a more useful measure in 3-vector notation. The spherical symmetry of the integrand is mentioned, and it is explained that the mass-shell condition does not apply in this case. The individual also asks about expressing the four-vector in scalar and vector parts, and is confirmed that their understanding is correct.
  • #1
Sekonda
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Hello,

I have a particular derivation of a four-vector integration measure, basically changing the measure to some related more useful measure - but I'd like to do this in 3-vector notation. Here it is, from the integral:

[tex]-i\lambda\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{d^4k}{(2\pi)^4}\frac{i}{k^2-m^2}[/tex]

where k is the four vector: [tex]k=(E,\mathbf{p})[/tex]

We transform the integration measure like so:

[tex]d^3k=4\pi k^{2}dk\: ,\: \frac{dk^2}{dk}=2k\: ,\: d^3k=2\pi kdk^2[/tex]

Where the first step is done due to spherical symmetry (can anyone explain why this is spherically symmetric? I'm guessing the 'k' is isotropic in some sense?)

Anyway we attain that the integration measure is:

[tex]\frac{d^4k}{(2\pi)^4}=\frac{k^2dk^2}{16\pi^2}[/tex]

My main question is how to change this derivation to a 3-vector one? I'm guess I pretty much subsitute 'k' for 'p' but I'm not sure.


Thanks,
SK
 
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  • #2
too many identical k's w/o index, vector notation
 
  • #3
Sorry, but I did not quite get what you want to do. You want to turn the given integral in 4-space to an integral in 3-space? Well, you cannot do it in general, unless you have a constrain (like the "mass shell": k2 = m2) . If you do, please let me know so I can tell you what to do in this case. About the spherical symmetry question, the integrand is a function of k2 = k02 - k2 i.e. it depents only of the magnitude of k and not it's direction.
 
  • #4
d4k=dk0d3k,also k2=k02-k2
 
  • #5
andrien said:
also k2=k02-k2
again too many k's w/o index ;-)

k2=k02-k2 → 2k2=k02

but this is definately NOT what you mean ...
 
  • #6
tom.stoer said:
again too many k's w/o index ;-)

k2=k02-k2 → 2k2=k02

but this is definately NOT what you mean ...

ahh yes,so
k2=k02-[itex]k^2 [/itex]
 
  • #7
but this is what cosmic dust says: you cannot do that in general w/o assuming that there is a constraint; and in the above mentioned integral there isn't such a constraint, so the mass-shell condition does not apply.
 
  • #8
one can use it by simply giving a negative imaginary part to mass,if you wish.
 
  • #9
What I wanted to do was just take this out of 4 vector notation, how would I express this with a scalar part and a vector part.

I think if k is a four vector then:

[tex]d^4k=dEd^3\mathbf{p} \: ,\: k=(E,\mathbf{p})[/tex],

is this right? If so I just want to change the derivation I stated intially but using the integration measure on the RHS above this line.

Thanks,
SK
 
  • #10
yes, that's correct
 

FAQ: Transforming a 4-vector integration measure

What is a 4-vector integration measure?

A 4-vector integration measure is a mathematical concept used in the field of physics, specifically in the study of special and general relativity. It is used to describe how a vector quantity changes as it moves through spacetime.

How is a 4-vector integration measure transformed?

A 4-vector integration measure can be transformed through a process called Lorentz transformation, which involves rotating and scaling the vector in spacetime. This transformation is necessary to account for the effects of relative motion and to ensure that physical laws remain consistent in different reference frames.

Why is transforming a 4-vector integration measure important?

Transforming a 4-vector integration measure is important because it allows us to accurately describe and analyze physical phenomena in different reference frames. Without this transformation, our understanding of space and time would be limited and inconsistent.

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The transformation of 4-vector integration measures has many applications in physics, including the study of particles moving at high speeds, the behavior of electromagnetic fields, and the measurement of distances and time intervals in different reference frames.

Are there any limitations to transforming a 4-vector integration measure?

While the transformation of 4-vector integration measures is a powerful tool in physics, it does have some limitations. For example, it cannot account for the effects of gravity, which requires the use of more complex mathematical concepts such as tensor calculus.

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