Triangle and logarithm problem

In summary, the problem states that $z=\log_{2^a+2^{-a}} \left(4(ab+bc+ca)-(a+b+c)^2\right)$ and it is asked under what conditions $z$ has a real value. An attempt is made to solve the problem by simplifying the expression inside the logarithm and using the fact that it must be greater than zero. However, it is then realized that the problem is symmetric in $a, b, c$ and thus none of the given answers (A, B, C) are valid. It is then concluded that the correct answer must be D (None of these) since it is the only symmetric choice. Further reasoning is provided using the fact
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Saitama
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Problem:
Given that $a,b$ and $c$ are the sides of $\Delta ABC$ such that $$z=\log_{2^a+2^{-a}} \left(4(ab+bc+ca)-(a+b+c)^2\right)$$ then $z$ has a real value if and only if

A)a=b=2c
B)3a=2b=c
C)a-b=3c
D)None of these

Attempt:
I am not sure where to start with this kind of problem. I wrote the expression inside the logarithm as follows:
$$-(a^2+b^2+c^2-2(ab+bc+ca))$$
Since, anything inside the logarithm must be greater than zero, I have
$$a^2+b^2+c^2-2(ab+bc+ca)<0 \Rightarrow a^2+b^2+c^2<2(ab+bc+ca)$$
But $a^2+b^2+c^2 >ab+bc+ca$, I get $ab+bc+ca>0$. I doubt this is going to help.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Pranav said:
Problem:
Given that $a,b$ and $c$ are the sides of $\Delta ABC$ such that $$z=\log_{2^a+2^{-a}} \left(4(ab+bc+ca)-(a+b+c)^2\right)$$ then $z$ has a real value if and only if

A)a=b=2c
B)3a=2b=c
C)a-b=3c
D)None of these

Attempt:
I am not sure where to start with this kind of problem. I wrote the expression inside the logarithm as follows:
$$-(a^2+b^2+c^2-2(ab+bc+ca))$$
Since, anything inside the logarithm must be greater than zero,

Hey Pranav! :)

I agree that the argument to the logarithm should be greater than zero.
From that point on the problem is symmetric in $a,b,c$.
That is, they can be swapped around giving the same expression.
In other words, none of the answers A, B, or C fit.
Therefore the answer must be D.

I have
$$a^2+b^2+c^2-2(ab+bc+ca)<0 \Rightarrow a^2+b^2+c^2<2(ab+bc+ca)$$
But $a^2+b^2+c^2 >ab+bc+ca$, I get $ab+bc+ca>0$. I doubt this is going to help.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

I believe that should be a $\ge$ sign.

Anyway, since $a,b,c$ are the sides of a triangle (which you did not use yet), you can conclude that this is always the case.
 
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If $a,b,c$ are the sides of a triangle then $b+c > a$, $c+a>b$ and $a+b>c$. Multiply the first of those inequalities by $a$, the second by $b$ and the third by $c$, and add. That gives $2(bc+ca+ab) > a^2+b^2+c^2.$ Therefore $4(bc+ca+ab) > a^2+b^2+c^2 + 2(bc+ca+ab) = (a+b+c)^2.$ So $4(bc+ca+ab) - (a+b+c)^2$ is always positive and therefore always has a real logarithm (to any base).
 
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I like Serena said:
That is, they can be swapped around giving the same expression.

Hi ILS! :)

I understand the above statement but how do you conclude the following:
In other words, none of the answers A, B, or C fit.
:confused:

Opalg said:
If $a,b,c$ are the sides of a triangle then $b+c > a$, $c+a>b$ and $a+b>c$. Multiply the first of those inequalities by $a$, the second by $b$ and the third by $c$, and add. That gives $2(bc+ca+ab) > a^2+b^2+c^2.$ Therefore $4(bc+ca+ab) > a^2+b^2+c^2 + 2(bc+ca+ab) = (a+b+c)^2.$ So $4(bc+ca+ab) - (a+b+c)^2$ is always positive and therefore always has a real logarithm (to any base).

Thanks a lot Opalg, very nicely done. :)
 
  • #5
Pranav said:
Hi ILS! :)

I understand the above statement but how do you conclude the following:
In other words, none of the answers A, B, or C fit.

Since the problem is symmetric in $a, b, c$ the correct answer will also have to be symmetric in $a, b, c$. Neither of the answers A, B, or C are.
 
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I like Serena said:
Since the problem is symmetric in $a, b, c$ the correct answer will also have to be symmetric in $a, b, c$. Neither of the answers A, B, or C are.

I see it now, thanks ILS! :)
 

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