Trigometric identity conversion within an integral

In summary, the conversation was about finding the average value of momentum in an infinite potential well using the conjugate formula and the expectation value equation. The confusion arose from the use of a trigonometric identity and the role of the 1/2 in the equation. It was clarified that the identity can still be applied when divided by 2 and the equation ultimately simplifies to a more manageable form.
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Ritorufon
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Homework Statement



The problem is finding the average value of momentum in an infinite potential well but the theory I understand, its the mathematical execution I'm having trouble with.


Homework Equations



The expectation value for the momentum is found using the conjugate formula

For odd solutions
[tex]\psi_n=Bcos(\frac{n\pi}{2a}x)[/tex]

then the expectation value is

[tex]<p_x> =\int^{a}_{-a} B cos(\frac{n\pi}{2a}x) (-i\hbar \frac {d}{dx}) B cos(\frac{n\pi}{2a}x)[/tex]

which is equivalent to

[tex]<p_x>= B^2(+{i}{\hbar})\frac{n\pi}{2a}\int^{a}_{-a}cos\frac{n\pi}{2a}xsin\frac{n\pi}{2a}x dx[/tex]

heres what I don't get, in my notes it multipies the above equation by a half which yields

[tex]<p_x>=B^2(+{i}{\hbar})\frac{n\pi}{2a}\int^{a}_{-a}sin\frac{n\pi}{a}xdx[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I really don't understands why this comes about and can make no sense from the trig tables, I'm sure the answer is trivial, yet it still alludes me, if anyone could shed any light on this I would be very grateful

by the way this is my first post here so forgive me if the latex is formatted incorrectly! :/
 
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whoops the last equation should be

[tex]<p_x> = B^2 (+{i} {\hbar} ) \frac{n\pi}{4a} \int^{a}_{-a} sin \frac{n\pi}{a} x dx[/tex]
 
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It's just the trig formula for double angle sine:

[tex] sin(2 \theta) = 2 cos(\theta) sin(\theta)[/tex]
 
  • #4
Yes it comes from the angle addition formula

[tex] sin (2 \alpha ) = sin( \alpha + \alpha ) = sin( \alpha ) cos( \alpha ) + cos( \alpha ) sin ( \alpha ) = 2 sin( \alpha ) cos( \alpha ) [/tex]

and the angle addition formula comes from some geometry. you can see it here if you want.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proofs_of_trigonometric_identities
 
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I would understand if the equation was multiplied by 2 but its multipied by 1/2 as the fraction in the end equation is
[tex]\frac{n\pi}{4a}[/tex],
and the integral inside is multiplied by 1/2 so the identity doesn't apply right?

or am i missing something stupidly obvious?
 
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What happens when you take the identity and divide it by 2?
 
  • #7
Ritorufon said:
I would understand if the equation was multiplied by 2 but its multipied by 1/2 as the fraction in the end equation is
[tex]\frac{n\pi}{4a}[/tex],
and the integral inside is multiplied by 1/2 so the identity doesn't apply right?

or am i missing something stupidly obvious?

It may be more helpful to see the formula as:

[tex] \frac{1}{2} sin( \alpha ) = sin( \frac{1}{2} \alpha ) cos( \frac{1}{2} \alpha ) [/tex]
 
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ah! stupidly obvious like I thought! thanks for your help and patience guys! that's been annoying me for weeks!
 

FAQ: Trigometric identity conversion within an integral

Question 1: What is a trigonometric identity?

A trigonometric identity is an equation that involves trigonometric functions and is always true regardless of the value of the variables involved. These identities are used to simplify expressions and solve equations involving trigonometric functions.

Question 2: Why is it important to convert trigonometric identities within an integral?

Converting trigonometric identities within an integral allows us to solve a wider range of integrals by using substitution. It also helps to simplify the integral and make it more manageable to solve.

Question 3: How do you convert a trigonometric identity within an integral?

To convert a trigonometric identity within an integral, we use substitution by replacing the variable with a trigonometric function using one of the trigonometric identities. This allows us to simplify the integral and solve it using known trigonometric identities.

Question 4: What are some common trigonometric identities used in integral conversions?

Some common trigonometric identities used in integral conversions include the Pythagorean identities, double-angle identities, half-angle identities, and sum and difference identities.

Question 5: Are there any special cases when converting trigonometric identities within an integral?

Yes, there are special cases when converting trigonometric identities within an integral. These include when the integral involves an odd power of sine or cosine, or when the integral involves tangent or secant functions. In these cases, we may need to use trigonometric identities specifically designed for those functions.

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