Trouble deciding on which equation to use in this obscure problem?

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In summary, the conversation discussed two similar problems that required differentiation and integration to solve. The first problem involved finding the positive value of t for which acceleration is zero, and the distance traveled by a particle before changing its direction of motion. The second problem involved showing that t^(3/4) = 5/6 and finding the distance of the particle from its starting point when its velocity was 3 m s^-1. The conversation also mentioned the need to use differentiation and integration to solve these problems, and referenced a helpful online resource for learning calculus.
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There are 2 problems, very alike, that I don't know exactly what to do about. I think I may be missing some information that I should know before trying such problems. Any help would be very appreciated.

Homework Statement



The first: A particle P starts at the point O and travels in a straight line. At time t seconds after leaving O the velocity of P is vm s−1, where v = 0.75t^2 − 0.0625t^3.
Find
(i) the positive value of t for which the acceleration is zero,
(ii) the distance traveled by P before it changes its direction of motion.

The second: A particle P moves in a straight line, starting from the point O with velocity 2 ms−1.

The acceleration of P at time ts after leaving O is 2t^(2/3) m s−2.
(i) Show that t^(3/4) = 5/6 when the velocity of P is 3 m s−1.
(ii) Find the distance of P from O when the velocity of P is 3 m s−1.


Homework Equations



All the suvat equations, probably, should be relevant.

The Attempt at a Solution



For the first, we can maybe put a 0 for the a in a = delta v/delta t?
 
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You can't use the suvat equations here since the acceleration in both problems is not constant.

You have to use differentiation and integration to solve them, eg in the first problem, you differentiate the expression for v to get an expression for a.
 
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This might be a little tough if you haven't seen calculus before but the idea is the following: you know how velocity is rate of change of position? This is expressed as:
$$ v(t) = \frac{d[x(t)]}{dt} $$
Notice this is similar to the [itex] v = \frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t} [/itex] equation. That symbol by itself, [itex] v = \frac{d}{dx} [/itex] is an operator (just like, say, √). This means it has no meaning on its own, just when it operates over something. Just like there is a rule for doing the √ operation (taking square root) there is a rule for taking the derivative (that's the name of the operator). It depends on the particular function, but in the case of polynomials (like the ones in your question) the rule is:
$$ \frac{d[kt^n]}{dt} = nkt^{n-1} $$
Where k, n are constants. For example, [itex] \frac{d[2t^3]}{dt} = 2\times 3t^{3-1} = 6t^2 [/itex]
Of course, you can do this multiple times. Taking the derivative of the velocity yields:
$$ a(t) = \frac{d[v(t)]}{dt} = \frac{d^2[x(t)]}{dt^2}$$
This just says acceleration is the second derivative of position x(t) and first derivative of velocity v(t). There are many references online for this, one of my favorite is: http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/

Edit: I just noticed you also have to do the opposite opeartion of taking derivatives (just like squaring is the opposite operation of √, derivatives have an opposite operation). This is called anti-differentiation (some people call it integration. This is wrong. Indefinite integration is a slightly better term, but it's still a misnomer). As with differentiating (that's a fancy way of saying "taking the derivative") the rule depends on the function, but for polynomials:
$$ \int kt^n dt = \frac{kt^{n+1}}{n+1} + C $$
Where k, n, C are constants. It is extremely important you do not forget the C (although for your problems it will not be an issue). Notice the dt is in the numerator now. For example:
$$ \int 6t^2 dt = \frac{6t^{2+1}}{2+1} = 3t^3 + C$$
Which is the original function (as we would expect). Now, this means that:
$$ \int v(t) dt = x(t) + C$$
And,
$$ \int a(t) dt = v(t) + C$$
Also, the derivative of a constant is zero (just substitute [itex] kx^0[/itex] in the derivative formula)
 
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Ah, I see. Now I understand. (I haven't covered the calculus part of Mechanics yet.) Thank you both very much indeed!
 
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But we don't know delta v, or delta t, we only know v and t. We can't find the distance without knowing the initial velocity or the time. So maybe we should use the equation s = ut + 0.5at^2, since we know u and a, and we can solve for s.

For the second, we can use the equation v = u + at, since we know u and a, and we can solve for t. Then we can use the equation s = ut + 0.5at^2 to find the distance traveled by P before it changes its direction of motion.

It is important to carefully analyze the information provided in the problem and determine which equations are relevant to solve it. In the first problem, we are given the velocity as a function of time and are asked to find the acceleration and distance traveled. The equation v = u + at can be used to find the acceleration, as we know the initial velocity and time. To find the distance traveled, we can use the equation s = ut + 0.5at^2, as we know the initial velocity, time, and acceleration. It is important to note that the value of t for which acceleration is zero may not necessarily be a positive value, so we should check for both positive and negative values of t.

In the second problem, we are given the acceleration as a function of time and are asked to find the time and distance traveled. The equation v = u + at can be used to find the time, as we know the initial velocity and acceleration. To find the distance traveled, we can use the equation s = ut + 0.5at^2, as we know the initial velocity, time, and acceleration. It is important to note that the value of t for which the velocity is 3 m/s may not necessarily be the same as the value of t for which the acceleration is 2 m/s^2, so we should be careful when using the equations.

It is also possible that there may be other equations that could be relevant to solving these problems, depending on the specific information given. It may be helpful to review the relevant equations and see if there are any that could be useful in solving these problems. Additionally, it may be helpful to double check if any important information is missing from the problem, as this could affect the choice of equations to use.
 

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