Two Identical non-entangled Particle System

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between the wave function of two particles, the phase used to replace +/-, and the need to add an additional term in certain cases due to particles being indistinguishable. The phase can be expressed as ##e^{i \alpha}## and the swapping of particles must have eigenvalues ##\pm 1## for it to reduce to ##\pm 1##. In 2+1 dimensions, anyons are possible due to this phase. The conversation also mentions the spin-statistics theorem and the justification for the first line.
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TimeRip496
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$$|\psi(x_1,x_2)|^2=|\psi(x_2,x_1)|^2$$
$$\psi(x_1,x_2)=+/-\psi(x_2,x_1)$$
How do they convert they former into the latter one? Is it due to the modulus?

I know the latter can also be written as $$\psi(x_1,x_2)=e^{i\alpha}\psi(x_2,x_1)$$ where the exponential is the phase used to replace +/-.

$$\psi(x_1,x_2)=A[\psi_a(x_1)\psi_b(x_2)\pm\psi_a(x_2)\psi_b(x_1)]$$
As for this, isn't $$\Psi(x_1,x_2)=\Psi_a(x_1) \Psi_b(x_2)$$? Why do we need to add the additional one?

Is it because, the particles are indistinguishable and thus we can add $$\psi_a(x_2)\psi_b(x_1)$$?

If that is the case, won't $$(A\psi_a(x_1)\psi_b(x_2))^2$$ or $$(A\psi_a(x_2)\psi_b(x_1))^2$$ be 0.5(probability) each?
 
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In three dimensions, the phase ##e^{i \alpha}## reduces to ##\pm 1## by asserting that swapping two particles twice should be the same as doing nothing. So the swapping operator must have eigenvalues ##\pm 1##. In two dimensions, you can get anyons besides bosons and fermions. For more than two particles, you can get states that are not symmetric nor antisymmetric.

TimeRip496 said:
isn't $$\Psi(x_1,x_2)=\Psi_a(x_1) \Psi_b(x_2)$$? Why do we need to add the additional one?

Is it because, the particles are indistinguishable and thus we can add $$\psi_a(x_2)\psi_b(x_1)$$?

If there is no external label such as location (e.g. one particle is in D.C. while another is in Moscow) you can't distinguish between the first and the second terms.
 
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Truecrimson said:
In three dimensions, the phase ##e^{i \alpha}## reduces to ##\pm 1## by asserting that swapping two particles twice should be the same as doing nothing. So the swapping operator must have eigenvalues ##\pm 1##. In two dimensions, you can get anyons besides bosons and fermions. For more than two particles, you can get states that are not symmetric nor antisymmetric.
If there is no external label such as location (e.g. one particle is in D.C. while another is in Moscow) you can't distinguish between the first and the second terms.
But how do you get $$\psi(x_1,x_2)=+/-\psi(x_2,x_1)$$ from
$$|\psi(x_1,x_2)|^2=|\psi(x_2,x_1)|^2$$?
 
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TimeRip496 said:
But how do you get $$\psi(x_1,x_2)=+/-\psi(x_2,x_1)$$ from
$$|\psi(x_1,x_2)|^2=|\psi(x_2,x_1)|^2$$?

Without simply asserting it, I don't think there is a satisfactory justification for the first line other than the spin-statistics theorem in 3+1 (or higher)-dimensional quantum field theories. That's why anyons are possible in 2+1 dimensions.

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