Two Masses, a Pulley, and an Inclined Plane help

In summary, the conversation is discussing the ratio of masses m1/m2, where m1 is connected to an ideal pulley and m2 is on a plane with a coefficient of kinetic friction. The equations of motion for the masses are given and solved, but a term is missing when solving for m1/m2. The correct ratio is found to be (gsin(theta) + mu*cos(theta) + a)/(g-a).
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Block 1, of mass m1, is connected over an ideal (massless and frictionless) pulley to block 2, of mass m2, as shown. Assume that the blocks accelerate as shown with an acceleration of magnitude a and that the coefficient of kinetic friction between block 2 and the plane is mu.

MLD_2l_2_v2_2_a.jpg



Find the ratio of the masses m1/m2.

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Let the tension in the thread be T. ok. now eq of motion of the 2 masses are...
(m1)g - T = (m1)a
T - (m2)gsin(theta) - (mu)(m2)gcos(theta) = (m2)a

Solving them by addng the two eqns u get,

m1/m2 = (g(sin(theta) + (mu)cos(theta)))/(g - a)
 
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Thanks rammstein, but after inputting m1/m2, I get "aren't you missing a term?" Thanks a bunch for the help though!
 
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pcmarine said:
Thanks rammstein, but after inputting m1/m2, I get "aren't you missing a term?" Thanks a bunch for the help though!

That's right. The equations of motion are correct, he just dropped a term when he solved for m1/m2. Go ahead and solve the system and see what you get.

-Dan
 
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I tried setting the two equations equal to each other through T, but was unable to discover the missing term...
 
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pcmarine said:
I tried setting the two equations equal to each other through T, but was unable to discover the missing term...

[tex]m_1g-T=m_1a[/tex] So [tex]T=m_1g-m_1a[/tex]

[tex](m_1g-m_1a)-m_2gsin \theta-\mu m_2gcos \theta=m_2a[/tex]

[tex]m_1g-m_1a=m_2gsin \theta+\mu m_2gcos \theta+m_2a[/tex]

[tex]m_1(g-a)=m_2(gsin \theta+\mu gcos \theta+a)[/tex]

[tex]\frac{m1}{m2}=\frac{gsin \theta+\mu gcos \theta+a}{g-a}[/tex]

rammstein left out the last "a" in the numerator.

-Dan
 
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FAQ: Two Masses, a Pulley, and an Inclined Plane help

1. What is the purpose of using two masses, a pulley, and an inclined plane together?

The purpose of using these objects together is to demonstrate the principles of force, motion, and energy. By manipulating the masses and angles of the inclined plane, one can observe how different forces affect the motion of objects.

2. How do the masses affect the motion of the system?

The masses play a crucial role in determining the acceleration of the system. The heavier the masses, the more force is required to move them, resulting in a slower acceleration. Additionally, the ratio of the masses will determine the direction of the motion.

3. What is the role of the pulley in this system?

The pulley acts as a simple machine that changes the direction of the force applied to the masses. It allows for the masses to be pulled upwards instead of being dragged along the surface of the inclined plane, reducing friction and making the experiment more accurate.

4. How does the angle of the inclined plane affect the system?

The angle of the inclined plane affects the acceleration of the system. As the angle increases, the force required to move the masses also increases. This can be observed by changing the angle and observing the differences in the motion of the masses.

5. What are the real-world applications of this experiment?

The principles demonstrated in this experiment are used in various real-world applications such as elevators, cranes, and even amusement park rides. Understanding the concepts of force and motion is crucial in fields such as engineering and physics.

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