Understanding a Sylow theory proof

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of an action by conjugation on a group, specifically on the set of all 2-Sylow subgroups. The question is raised about how this action can be well-defined if the set is not normal. The response explains that the action is defined on sets, not groups, and that normality is necessary for considering homomorphisms. It is also mentioned that the transitivity of the action implies that it is nontrivial.
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I am trying to understand this proof, but am tripped up on the part that says "Consider the action of ##G## on ##\operatorname{Syl}_2(G)## by conjugation." My question is, how is this a well-defined action if ##\operatorname{Syl}_2(G)## is not normal? Isn't this action by conjugation defined only on subgroups that are normal?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
https://imgur.com/a/oSioYel

I am trying to understand this proof, but am tripped up on the part that says "Consider the action of ##G## on ##\operatorname{Syl}_2(G)## by conjugation." My question is, how is this a well-defined action if ##\operatorname{Syl}_2(G)## is not normal? Isn't this action by conjugation defined only on subgroups that are normal?
Given any operation ##\varphi \, : \, U\times G \longrightarrow G## with a subgroup ##U\leqslant G## we can define cosets ##g.U=\varphi(g,U)=\{\,g.u\,|\,u\in U\,\}## which in our case are the sets ##gUg^{-1}##. This partitions ##G## into subsets of equal size.

Now the point is, that those sets are just that: sets. Since ##U## isn't normal, we simply cannot define a group structure on this set ##G/U## of sets. So as long as we are only counting elements, everything will be fine. If we want to consider homomorphisms ##U \rightarrowtail G \twoheadrightarrow G/U## we will have a problem if ##U## isn't normal. So normality directly corresponds to the fact, that ##G/U## is again a group or not.
 
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[itex]Syl_2(G)[/itex] is not a subgroup of [itex]G[/itex]; rather, it is the set of all of the 2-Sylow subgroups of [itex]G[/itex]. If [itex]H\in Syl_2(G)[/itex], then [itex]gHg^{-1}\in Syl_2(G)[/itex] too (and can be a different element if [itex]H[/itex] is not normal).
 
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[itex]Syl_2(G)[/itex] is not a subgroup of [itex]G[/itex]; rather, it is the set of all of the 2-Sylow subgroups of [itex]G[/itex]. If [itex]H\in Syl_2(G)[/itex], then [itex]gHg^{-1}\in Syl_2(G)[/itex] too (and can be a different element if [itex]H[/itex] is not normal).
Got it. One more question. Why does that fact that ##\rho## is transitive imply that it is nontrivial?
 
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Let [itex]H_1,H_2\in Syl_2(G)[/itex]. Since the action is transitive, there is an element [itex]g\in G[/itex] such that [itex]gH_1g^{-1}=H_2[/itex]. We can pick [itex]H_1,H_2[/itex] to be different, and then this means that [itex]\rho(g)[/itex] is not the trivial permutation.
 
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Related to Understanding a Sylow theory proof

1. What is a Sylow theory proof?

A Sylow theory proof is a mathematical proof that is used to show the existence and properties of Sylow subgroups in a finite group. It is an important tool in group theory and helps to understand the structure of finite groups.

2. Why is understanding a Sylow theory proof important?

Understanding a Sylow theory proof is important because it allows us to classify groups and determine their properties. It also helps us to solve problems related to finite groups and to better understand their structure.

3. What are Sylow subgroups?

Sylow subgroups are subgroups of a finite group that have a specific order. They are named after the mathematician Ludwig Sylow, who first discovered and studied them in the late 19th century.

4. How is Sylow theory used in other areas of mathematics?

Sylow theory has applications in various areas of mathematics, including number theory, geometry, and topology. It is also used in cryptography, coding theory, and other fields where finite groups play a role.

5. Are there any limitations to Sylow theory?

Yes, there are some limitations to Sylow theory. It only applies to finite groups, and not all finite groups have Sylow subgroups. Additionally, it does not provide a complete understanding of the structure of a group, but rather gives us some information about its subgroups.

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