Understanding the E Field Above a Square Loop

In summary, the conversation discusses the E field above a square loop with side=a at distance z on the z axis. The Ex and Ey fields cancel out due to symmetry. The speaker is bothered by not being able to see the substitution, but it is an easy technique. They wonder how to get the substitution and discuss using trig substitutions to remove squares within square roots in integrals. They also discuss the importance of learning these tools for success in research and employment opportunities. Finally, they mention the purpose of drilling students with difficult integrals.
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mathnerd15
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this is the E field above a square loop with side=a at distance z on the z axis. by symmetry the Ex, Ey field cancel out. it really kind of bothers me that I can't see this substitution, including the sin(tan^-1(u)) portion. I guess it's an easy technique but I wonder how you get the substitution?

[tex]Ez=\frac{4\lambda z}{4\pi \varepsilon o}\int_{-a/2}^{a/2}\frac{ dx}{(z^2+x^2+a^2/4)^{3/2}}, x=\sqrt{a^2/4+z^2}tanu, dx=\sqrt{a^2/4+z^2}sec^{2}udu, I=\frac{1}{a^2/4+z^2}\int cosudu=\frac{1}{a^2/4+z^2}sinu\therefore Ez=\frac{8\lambda az}{4\pi\epsilon o \sqrt{2a^2+4z^2}z^2+a^2/4}[/tex]thanks!
 
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Thumb rule:
"To remove squares within square roots, use a suitable trig substitution. If stuff is more difficult than that, forget about it"
 
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I try to do these by hand- I wonder if some people do all of these by hand?
 
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mathnerd15 said:
I wonder if some people do all of these by hand?

Those who need to learn them, such as students. Those who are professionally competent don't, but at most, picks up a table of integrals. Only those are professionally competent who has learned them.

:smile:
 
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I'm not sure if maybe it's better to do a lot of problems out of mathematical and Schaum books. I had another career before this that was completely different than physics/mathematics
I've been looking at Apostol and Hubbard Calculus (introduces manifolds) and I'm not sure if I should study these since I've already done Stewart (problems are easy I know)
 
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I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Ask yourself:
If lots of the basic tools used within research seems utterly magical to you, because you haven't learned the logic behind them, can you ever succeed as a researcher? There's a reason why an education within physics/math is a fast-track over the evolution of the subjects, ordered in a pedagogically optimal way.
Alternatively: Why should anyone want to employ you, unless you have a proven ability to understand and master previous areas of research?

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Thus, the function behind drilling students with such as nasty integrals is at least three-fold:
To hone the mind of the student, and familiarize him with the technical language, along with being a quality control of the student.
 
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thanks, it's not a difficult substitution.

so the integral substitution works well with the tan^2+1 term reducing it to cosu and you just substitute back in for u and solve,
[tex]sin(arctan(\frac{x}{(a^2/4+z^2)^{1/2}}))=\frac{x}{(a^2/4+x^2+z^2)^{1/2}}[/tex]
 
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FAQ: Understanding the E Field Above a Square Loop

What is an E field?

An E field, or electric field, is a physical concept used to describe the force that charged particles exert on each other. It can also be thought of as the space around a charged particle where other charged particles would experience a force.

What is a square loop?

A square loop is a closed, four-sided shape with equal length sides, forming a square. In the context of understanding the E field, it is often used to represent a current-carrying wire or circuit.

How is the E field above a square loop calculated?

The E field above a square loop is calculated using the formula E = (μ0 * I) / (2π * r), where μ0 is the permeability of free space, I is the current in the loop, and r is the distance from the center of the loop to the point where the E field is being measured.

What factors can affect the strength of the E field above a square loop?

The strength of the E field above a square loop can be affected by the distance from the loop, the amount of current flowing through the loop, and the shape and size of the loop. Additionally, the presence of other charged particles or objects in the vicinity can also influence the strength of the E field.

How is understanding the E field above a square loop useful?

Understanding the E field above a square loop is useful in various applications, such as designing and analyzing electrical circuits, calculating the force on charged particles in a magnetic field, and studying electromagnetic waves. It also helps in understanding the behavior of electric and magnetic fields in different situations.

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