Understanding the Science Behind Fire: The Phenomenon of Upward Movement

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In summary, fire always points up because the hot air it creates travels upwards, carrying the firing photons within the atoms of the air and creating the image of fire traveling upwards. In zero-g environments, flames look different due to the absence of gravity. When a spaceship takes off and the jets are facing down, there is not a significant increase in thrust due to the minimal effect of convection at high speeds.
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Fire always points up. My thoughts are, the hot air it creates travels upwards, and with that, so do the firing photons within the atoms of the air, which would then create the image of the fire traveling upwards.

Am i right?
 
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Typically fire works something like this:
The fuel vaporizes, then the vapors burn. Since the vapors are hot, they radiate visible light. Since the air around them is hot, there is an updraft, so the hot material travels upwards.

In zero-g environments flames look different.
 
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Originally posted by NateTG
In zero-g environments flames look different.

I'd like to see that!
Got a link?
 
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Yep. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast12may_1.htm

No gravity, no rising air to shape the flame.
 
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Yep. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast12may_1.htm

Neat! So that means that when a spaceship is taking off, and the jets are facing down, you get more thrust because the hot air is rebounding back to the jets?
 
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That is SO COOL! How would that effect take off on the moon or mars?
Or would it matter because of the giant thrust?
 
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Originally posted by Mattius_
Neat! So that means that when a spaceship is taking off, and the jets are facing down, you get more thrust because the hot air is rebounding back to the jets?
Thats more of "An equal and opposite reaction" Newton, flames burning, and the currents of air, that influence there shape, is more of a Chemistry > 'mixing' probelm/solution, with physics in the heat exchanges and molecular/atomic (subatomic, but I don't think/know if that's been explored) activities that arise as a result of all of the event(s) sequencing...sorta...
 
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Originally posted by Mattius_
Neat! So that means that when a spaceship is taking off, and the jets are facing down, you get more thrust because the hot air is rebounding back to the jets?
Not really - the thrust is so high and the speed of the rocket so fast that convection has a minimal effect.
 

FAQ: Understanding the Science Behind Fire: The Phenomenon of Upward Movement

What causes fire to move upwards?

Fire moves upwards due to convection, which is the transfer of heat through the movement of hot gases. When a fire is burning, the heat from the flames heats up the surrounding air, causing it to become less dense and rise. This creates an upward movement of air, which carries the flames and smoke with it.

Why does a fire tend to spread upwards?

A fire spreads upwards because of the availability of oxygen. As the hot air rises, it creates a vacuum effect that draws in more oxygen from the bottom, allowing the fire to continue burning and spreading upwards. Additionally, when materials above the fire are heated, they release gases that also contribute to the upward movement of the flames.

How does the shape of a room affect the upward movement of a fire?

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