Understanding the Transformation of ln(x^2+1) = ln(abs: 2y-3) into x^2+1 = 2y-3

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In summary, the conversation discusses the transformation of ln(x^2+1) = ln (abs: 2y-3) into x^2+1 = 2y-3 and the confusion over the elimination of the absolute sign. It is explained that the argument of the ln function must be positive by definition and that exponentiating 2.7 can never result in a negative number. The citation provided also clarifies that the absolute value sign can be eliminated because the constant C1 can be chosen as either positive or negative.
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Why is it that ln(x^2+1) = ln (abs: 2y-3) can be transformed into x^2+1 = 2y-3 , this according to an example in my book.

What I don't understand is why you can eliminate the absolute sign.
 
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Huh ? The argument of the ln function always needs to be positive by definition : if ln(A) = B then exp(B) = A.

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http://www.math.ntnu.no/emner/kode/SIF5003/gamle-eks/TMA4100_2006_08_18_lf.pdf

It's task 3 here. You won't understand the language, but hopefully understand the maths :smile:
 
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That's Norwegian, right ?

yep, they write the absolute sign because the argument of the ln function NEEDS to be positive. So in that case, you only consider the y values for which 2y-3 > 0 --> y>1.5

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I don't really understand why it needs to be positive. Is it not possible to say that e^(ln(abs: 2y-3)) = (abs: 2y-3) ?

And yes, it's Norwegian. Did you guess that without checking my profile?
 
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kasse said:
I don't really understand why it needs to be positive. Is it not possible to say that e^(ln(abs: 2y-3)) = (abs: 2y-3) ?
e^(ln(abs: 2y-3)) = (abs: 2y-3) : YES THAT IS CORRECT.

Now, if you are using the absolute value function like |x| and you know that x > 0 (because of the argument of ln), the definition of |.| says that |x| = x.

In short : definition for |.|

|x| = x if x > 0
|x| =-x if x < 0

So |2y-3| = 2y-3 IF 2y-3 > 0

Finally, let me repeat why the argument (2y-3) of the ln function is positive BY DEFINITION:

ln(A) = B <--> A = exp(B)

But exp(B) is always positive so A must always be positive.

Keep in mind that exp(B) = [tex]e^B = (2.7)^B[/tex]

When you exponentiate 2.7, it can never become a negative number.



And yes, it's Norwegian. Did you guess that without checking my profile?

Yes, my native language is Dutch and some of the words look very much alike.

marlon
 
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kasse said:
Why is it that ln(x^2+1) = ln (abs: 2y-3) can be transformed into x^2+1 = 2y-3 , this according to an example in my book.

What I don't understand is why you can eliminate the absolute sign.
The citation you give doesn't say that! It says "if ln(x2+ 1)= ln(|2y- 3|)+ C1, then x2+ 1= C1(2y-3)".

You don't need the "| |" because the C1 can be chosen positive or negative.
 

FAQ: Understanding the Transformation of ln(x^2+1) = ln(abs: 2y-3) into x^2+1 = 2y-3

How do you transform ln(x^2+1) = ln(abs: 2y-3) into x^2+1 = 2y-3?

To transform ln(x^2+1) = ln(abs: 2y-3) into x^2+1 = 2y-3, you need to apply the exponential function to both sides of the equation. This will eliminate the natural logarithm and leave you with x^2+1 = 2y-3.

Why do we need to transform the equation in this way?

The transformation is necessary because when dealing with logarithms, it is often easier to work with exponential equations. By taking the exponential of both sides of the equation, we can simplify and solve for the variables more easily.

Is there a specific technique or method for transforming ln(x^2+1) = ln(abs: 2y-3) into x^2+1 = 2y-3?

Yes, the technique used for transforming ln(x^2+1) = ln(abs: 2y-3) into x^2+1 = 2y-3 is called the "exponential method." This involves taking the exponential function of both sides of the equation to eliminate the natural logarithm.

Can you provide an example of how to transform ln(x^2+1) = ln(abs: 2y-3) into x^2+1 = 2y-3?

Sure, let's use the equation ln(4x+3) = ln(abs: 2y-3) as an example. First, we take the exponential of both sides: e^(ln(4x+3)) = e^(ln(abs: 2y-3)). This simplifies to 4x+3 = abs: 2y-3. Then, we can remove the absolute value by considering two cases: if 2y-3 is positive, we have 4x+3 = 2y-3. If 2y-3 is negative, we have 4x+3 = -(2y-3). Solving for x and y in each case will give us the solutions to the original equation.

Are there any limitations or restrictions when transforming ln(x^2+1) = ln(abs: 2y-3) into x^2+1 = 2y-3?

Yes, there are a few limitations to keep in mind when transforming ln(x^2+1) = ln(abs: 2y-3) into x^2+1 = 2y-3. First, the natural logarithm can only be taken of positive numbers, so the expression inside the logarithm must always be positive. Additionally, the transformation may result in extraneous solutions, so it is important to check the final solution for validity in the original equation.

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