Which Unit Normal Vector of a Surface is Correct?

In summary, the unit normal vector of a surface cannot be determined solely by the gradient or cross product, as the concept of "inward" and "outward" is dependent on the context of the entire closed region. To check for inward or outward pointing, one must consider the larger context and take into account the orientation of the surface. Additionally, a continuous and strictly inward- or outward-pointing normal vector only exists for orientable surfaces.
  • #1
terryds
392
13
What is actually the unit normal vector of a surface?
Is it this?
34grrt2.png

Or this one?
2hwzpsh.png

I see that those are opposite in direction. But, I want the correct one, which means that it should point outward.
So, which one is correct?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Both are unit normals. The definition of "inward" and "outward" is dependent on an entire closed region whereas both gradient and cross product are local properties. The meaning of "outward" and can not be defined locally without reference to the larger context.
 
  • Like
Likes WWGD and terryds
  • #3
FactChecker said:
Both are unit normals. The definition of "inward" and "outward" is dependent on an entire closed region whereas both gradient and cross product are local properties. The meaning of "outward" and can not be defined locally without reference to the larger context.

Is there an easy way to check it inward/outward?
 
  • #4
Usually these are used in a context of integration over a surface where both the surface and the integration are defined in such a way that keeps track of outward.
 
  • #5
terryds said:
Is there an easy way to check it inward/outward?

The expressions you gave only determine ##\hat{n}## up to sign, but sign is what determines whether your normal vector is inward- or outward-pointing. If ##u,v## are two independent tangent vectors at a point on your surface, then swapping them gives a minus sign in your first formula for ##\hat{n}##. Similarly, if your surface is the zero set of a function ##g##, then it is also the zero set of ##-g##. But swapping ##g## with ##-g## gives a minus sign in your second formula.
 
  • #6
A continuous, strictly inward- or outward- normal ( when given the right context, as FactChecker stated) exists only when the surface is orientable; some actually use its existence as the definition for orientability. Notice, e.g., a normal vector field on the Mobius Strip, and how it must make a discontinuous turn at some point.
 
  • Like
Likes FactChecker

Related to Which Unit Normal Vector of a Surface is Correct?

What is the unit normal vector of a surface?

The unit normal vector of a surface is a vector that is perpendicular to the surface at a specific point. It represents the direction in which the surface is facing at that point.

How is the unit normal vector of a surface calculated?

The unit normal vector of a surface can be calculated by taking the cross product of two tangent vectors at a specific point on the surface. These tangent vectors can be found by taking partial derivatives of the surface equation with respect to the x and y coordinates.

What is the significance of the unit normal vector of a surface?

The unit normal vector of a surface is important because it helps us understand the orientation and curvature of the surface at a specific point. It also plays a crucial role in calculating surface integrals, which are used in many areas of mathematics and physics.

How is the unit normal vector of a surface used in physics?

In physics, the unit normal vector of a surface is used to calculate the flux, or flow, of a vector field through a surface. It is also used in calculating the force exerted by a surface on an object, as well as in understanding the behavior of light and sound waves as they interact with surfaces.

Can the unit normal vector of a surface change at different points?

Yes, the unit normal vector of a surface can change at different points. This is because the direction and orientation of the surface can vary at different points, leading to different tangent vectors and therefore a different unit normal vector.

Similar threads

Replies
4
Views
1K
  • Calculus
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • Differential Equations
Replies
7
Views
517
Replies
6
Views
491
  • Calculus
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • Special and General Relativity
Replies
17
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
1K
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
831
  • Special and General Relativity
Replies
21
Views
2K
Back
Top