Upper bound for first excited state - variational principle

In summary, the conversation discussed problem number 5 from a quantum physics course, involving finding an upper bound for the first excited state energy using a trial wave function and the shooting method. The conversation also mentioned the use of Scilab to calculate the ground state energy. The result was an upper bound of 2.423, which was found to be lower than the actual energy of 4.696. The conversation also mentioned the use of a different trial wave function for the ground state energy, which yielded a more accurate result. Finally, the conversation clarified that the first excited state wave function must have a non-zero derivative at the origin.
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Homework Statement
Find the upper bound of the first excited energy eigenstate in the quartic potential using variational principle.
Relevant Equations
Time-independent Schrodinger equation:
$$
-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\frac{\partial^2 \psi}{\partial x^2}+\alpha x^{4} \psi=E \psi
$$
Dimensionless time-independent Schrodinger equation
$$
-\frac{1}{2}\frac{\partial^2 \psi}{\partial u^2}+(u^{4} - e) \psi=0
$$
Variational principle:
$$
E_{1}\leqslant \int_{-\infty }^{\infty }\psi^{*}(x)H\psi(x)dx
$$
I'm solving problem number 5 from https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/8-05-quantum-physics-ii-fall-2013/resources/mit8_05f13_ps2/.

(a) Here I got:
$$
\beta = \frac{\hbar^{\frac{1}{3}}}{(\alpha m)^\frac{1}{6}}
$$
and:
$$
E = \left ( \frac{\alpha \hbar^4}{m^2} \right )^\frac{1}{3}e
$$
(b) Using Scilab I found that for the ground state energy:
$$
e_{0}=0.667986
$$
(c) A candidate wavefunction for the variational principle is:
$$
\psi _{1}=Axe^{-\frac{ax^2}{2}}
$$
(It is chosen to be orthogonal to ##\psi _{0}##.)
Here I got that upper bound for the first excited state is:
$$
h_{1}=\frac{3}{4}\left ( 10^{\frac{1}{3}} + \frac{5}{100^{\frac{1}{3}}} \right )=2.423
$$
(d) But here, by using shooting method, I got that:
$$
e_{1}=4.696
$$
or, the upper bound is less than the actual energy of the first excited state.
I'm not sure what went wrong.

I have to mention that I checked this for the ground state energy. By using the trial wave function:
$$
\psi _{0}=Be^{-\frac{ax^2}{2}}
$$
I got the upper bound for the ground state energy:
$$
h_{0}=\frac{1}{4}\left ( 6^{\frac{1}{3}} + \frac{3}{36^{\frac{1}{3}}} \right )=0.68142
$$
and exact ground state energy obtained by using the shooting method is:
$$
e_{1}=0.667986
$$
which is OK: exact value of the ground state energy is little bellow the upper bound.
The Scilab source follows:
```
//Solve a second order differential equation
//Y’’= 2(x^4-e)y, y(0)=1 and y’(0)=0
//e0=0.6679863 - dimensionless gruound state energy
funcprot(0)

function dy=f(x, y)
dy(1)=y(2);
dy(2)=2*(x^4-0.6679863)*y(1);
endfunction

x0=0;
xmax=10;
x=x0:0.1:xmax;
y0=1;
dy0=0;

y=ode([y0;dy0],x0,x,f);

clf;

plot(x,y(1,:),"r")
plot(x,y(2,:),"g")

xtitle("$\frac{d^2 y}{dx^2} =2*(x^4-0.6679863)*y $","x","f(x,y)");

legend("x","dy/dx")
 
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What is ##\psi(0)## for the first excited state?
Does ##\psi'(0) = 0## for the first excited state?
 
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Oh!
I did't think of that at all. Thank you!
 
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FAQ: Upper bound for first excited state - variational principle

What is an upper bound for the first excited state?

An upper bound for the first excited state is the maximum possible energy that the first excited state of a system can have. It is a theoretical limit and can be calculated using the variational principle.

How is the upper bound for the first excited state calculated using the variational principle?

The variational principle states that the energy of any trial wavefunction will always be greater than or equal to the true energy of the system. By varying the parameters of the trial wavefunction, the lowest possible energy can be found, which serves as an upper bound for the first excited state.

Why is the upper bound for the first excited state important?

The upper bound for the first excited state is important because it allows us to estimate the energy of the first excited state without having to solve the Schrödinger equation exactly. This is useful for complex systems where exact solutions are not feasible.

How does the upper bound for the first excited state change with different trial wavefunctions?

The upper bound for the first excited state will vary with different trial wavefunctions. A more accurate and suitable trial wavefunction will result in a lower upper bound, approaching the true energy of the first excited state.

Can the upper bound for the first excited state be used for other energy levels?

Yes, the variational principle can be applied to any energy level, not just the first excited state. The upper bound for any energy level can be calculated using the same method, by varying the parameters of the trial wavefunction to find the lowest possible energy.

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