Upper-Div ODEs for Physics Majors: A Comprehensive Overview

In summary, the conversation discusses the amount of knowledge in differential equations (DEs) needed for upper-level physics courses. The speaker is considering taking an upper-level DEs class but is unsure if it will be beneficial since they have already covered some topics in their lower-level DEs class. They also question if topics such as Green's functions and Sturm-Liouville theory are necessary for physics. Other participants in the conversation suggest that these topics are crucial for understanding advanced physics and recommend taking the upper-level DEs class. They also mention that having a background in applied DEs can be helpful in physics courses. It is suggested to consult with the professor teaching the class for more tailored information.
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how much DEs do physics majors need to know to handle upper-div physics? I'm thinking of taking this upper-div ODEs class:
"Laplace transforms, existence and uniqueness theorems, Fourier series, separation of variable solutions to partial differential equations, Sturm-Liouville theory, calculus of variations, two point boundary value problems, Green's functions. "

but I already covered laplace transforms, Fourier series, and covered very slightly separation of variables in my lower-div DEs class. I just transferred to this school, so I heard this stuff is new for most people (it is trimester, my DEs class was semester system) Would this class be a waste of time for me? So the rest of the stuff like green's functions, sturm-liouville theory, etc are unnecessary for physics, right?

I would rather take a pure math class than this, unless this class proves tremendously helpful for my physics classes.
 
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proton said:
So the rest of the stuff like green's functions, sturm-liouville theory, etc are unnecessary for physics, right?
Sorry, not at all true. Sturm-Liouville theory is intimately connected with eigenfunctions. Green's functions are analogous to the impulse response of electrical engineering, and are just as crucial to physics problems as impulse responses are to EE problems. One course in ODE and one in PDE is standard for upper level physics.

Can't advise you as to taking ODE from math vs physics departments. In theory both should prepare you well.
 
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Any course in applied DE's (applied means not theorem-proof/existance and uniquess etc...) will be helpful in advanced physics courses. You'll use green's functions in E&M, QM & many-body theory as a short list. The more exposure you have the better.
 
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you should take that upper level DE class because all you will learn in that class will eventually apply in physics. After all, a system of DEs (ODE, PDE, SDE) are what is behind physics. E&M, classical mechanic, quantum mechanic, etc are merely study of PDEs. Existence and uniqueness proof of linear ODE is very instructive in a sense that one can actually use it to generate a numerical method to compute the solution (not efficient).
 
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proton, why not ask the professor who will be teaching the course you are asking about? (If you don't know who that is, ask in our Math Department office.) It's likely that this will result in accurate information tailored to your situation, rather than the kind of general comment which we can offer here.
 

FAQ: Upper-Div ODEs for Physics Majors: A Comprehensive Overview

What is the purpose of studying upper-division ODEs for physics majors?

The purpose of studying upper-division ODEs for physics majors is to provide a comprehensive understanding of the mathematical tools and techniques used in advanced physics courses. These courses cover topics such as classical mechanics, electromagnetism, and quantum mechanics, which require a strong foundation in differential equations.

What background knowledge is necessary for understanding upper-division ODEs for physics majors?

A solid understanding of calculus, including single and multivariable calculus, is necessary for understanding upper-division ODEs for physics majors. Additionally, a basic understanding of linear algebra and complex numbers is helpful.

How are upper-division ODEs for physics majors different from introductory ODE courses?

Upper-division ODEs for physics majors build upon the concepts learned in introductory ODE courses, but they focus on more advanced and specialized topics relevant to physics. These courses often use physical examples and applications to illustrate the concepts and techniques learned.

What are some common topics covered in upper-division ODEs for physics majors?

Some common topics covered in upper-division ODEs for physics majors include second-order linear differential equations, Laplace transforms, series solutions, and applications in classical mechanics, electromagnetism, and quantum mechanics.

How can I prepare for upper-division ODEs for physics majors?

To prepare for upper-division ODEs for physics majors, it is important to have a strong understanding of the fundamental mathematical concepts covered in introductory calculus and ODE courses. Familiarizing yourself with the applications of differential equations in physics, such as in classical mechanics and electromagnetism, can also be helpful.

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