Using the Chain Rule for Vector Calculus: A Tutorial

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chain rule order of differentiation in the product
This is probably a stupid question, but I have never realised that there's an order things should be done in the chain rule , so for example

## \nabla(\bf{v}.\bf{v})=2\bf{v} (\nabla\cdot \bf{v}) ##

and not

## 2 \bf{v} \cdot \nabla \bf{v} ##

Is there an obvious way to see / think of this from the chain rule, say in 1-D, preferably through looking at the limit definition?
Thanks
 
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binbagsss said:
TL;DR Summary: chain rule order of differentiation in the product

and not
It contains gradient of vector which is a tough object.
 
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binbagsss said:
TL;DR Summary: chain rule order of differentiation in the product

This is probably a stupid question, but I have never realised that there's an order things should be done in the chain rule , so for example

## \nabla(\bf{v}.\bf{v})=2\bf{v} (\nabla\cdot \bf{v}) ##

and not

## 2 \bf{v} \cdot \nabla \bf{v} ##

Is there an obvious way to see / think of this from the chain rule, say in 1-D, preferably through looking at the limit definition?
Thanks
The gradient of a scalar function is a vector. All these identities follow from the definition.
 
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binbagsss said:
TL;DR Summary: chain rule order of differentiation in the product

This is probably a stupid question, but I have never realised that there's an order things should be done in the chain rule , so for example

## \nabla(\bf{v}.\bf{v})=2\bf{v} (\nabla\cdot \bf{v}) ##

and not

## 2 \bf{v} \cdot \nabla \bf{v} ##

Is there an obvious way to see / think of this from the chain rule, say in 1-D, preferably through looking at the limit definition?
Thanks

Using suffix notation, we can form five vectors from two copies of [itex]\mathbf{v}[/itex] and a single [itex]\nabla[/itex]: [tex]
\begin{array}{cc}
\nabla (\mathbf{v} \cdot \mathbf{v}) & \partial_i(v_jv_j), \\
\nabla \cdot (\mathbf{v} \mathbf{v}) & \partial_j(v_iv_j) , \\
\mathbf{v} \cdot (\nabla \mathbf{v}) & v_j \partial_i v_j, \\
\mathbf{v} (\nabla \cdot \mathbf{v}) & v_i \partial_j v_j, \\
(\mathbf{v} \cdot \nabla) \mathbf{v} & v_j \partial_j v_i.
\end{array}[/tex] Applying the product rule to the first two we have [tex]
\begin{split}
\nabla (\mathbf{v} \cdot \mathbf{v}) &= 2\mathbf{v} \cdot (\nabla \mathbf{v}) \\
\nabla \cdot (\mathbf{v} \mathbf{v}) &= (\mathbf{v} \cdot \nabla) \mathbf{v} + \mathbf{v}(\nabla \cdot \mathbf{v}).\end{split}[/tex] This is about the point at which suffix notation becomes clearer than vector notation.

EDIT: For completeness, we can also form these three using the cross product: [tex]
\begin{array}{cc}
\nabla \times (\mathbf{v} \times \mathbf{v}) & \epsilon_{ijk}\epsilon_{klm}\partial_j(v_lv_m) \\
\mathbf{v} \times (\nabla \times \mathbf{v}) & \epsilon_{ijk}\epsilon_{klm} v_j\partial_l v_m \\
(\mathbf{v} \times \nabla) \times \mathbf{v} & -\epsilon_{ijk}\epsilon_{klm} v_l\partial_mv_j
\end{array}[/tex] These can, however, be expressed in terms of the previous vectors by use of the identity [tex]\epsilon_{ijk}\epsilon_{klm} = \delta_{il}\delta_{jm} - \delta_{im}\delta_{jl}.[/tex]
 
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@pasmith, what operation is implied in this product: ##\mathbf{v} \mathbf{v}##? (The 2nd of your 5 examples)
 
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@pasmith, what operation is implied in this product: ##\mathbf{v} \mathbf{v}##? (The 2nd of your 5 examples)
Tensor product: [itex](\mathbf{v}\mathbf{v})_{ij} = v_i v_j[/itex].
 
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FAQ: Using the Chain Rule for Vector Calculus: A Tutorial

What is the Chain Rule in Vector Calculus?

The Chain Rule in vector calculus is a formula that allows us to compute the derivative of a composite function. Specifically, if we have a function that depends on another function, the Chain Rule helps us find the derivative of the outer function with respect to the inner function, multiplied by the derivative of the inner function with respect to its variable. This is particularly useful when dealing with functions of multiple variables.

How do you apply the Chain Rule to functions of several variables?

To apply the Chain Rule to functions of several variables, you first identify the dependent and independent variables. If you have a function \( z = f(x, y) \) where both \( x \) and \( y \) are functions of another variable \( t \), the Chain Rule states that the derivative of \( z \) with respect to \( t \) is given by \( \frac{dz}{dt} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x} \frac{dx}{dt} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial y} \frac{dy}{dt} \). This allows you to calculate how changes in \( t \) affect \( z \) through its dependencies on \( x \) and \( y \).

What are the common mistakes when using the Chain Rule in vector calculus?

Common mistakes when using the Chain Rule include forgetting to differentiate all dependent variables, incorrectly applying partial derivatives, and neglecting to account for the order of differentiation. Additionally, some may confuse the Chain Rule with the product or quotient rules, leading to errors in calculations. It is essential to carefully track all variables and their relationships to avoid these pitfalls.

Can the Chain Rule be used for higher dimensions?

Yes, the Chain Rule can be extended to higher dimensions. When dealing with functions that map from \( \mathbb{R}^n \) to \( \mathbb{R}^m \), the Chain Rule can be applied similarly. You would need to compute the Jacobian matrix of the inner functions and multiply it by the gradient of the outer function. This allows for the differentiation of complex multi-variable functions, maintaining the relationships between all variables involved.

What are some practical applications of the Chain Rule in vector calculus?

The Chain Rule has numerous practical applications, including in physics, engineering, and economics. For instance, it is used to model how changes in one quantity affect another in dynamic systems, such as fluid flow or heat transfer. Additionally, in optimization problems, the Chain Rule aids in determining how changes in input variables influence the output of a function, which is crucial for sensitivity analysis and decision-making processes.

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