Varying inclination on plane: Undetermined multipliers

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The discussion focuses on determining the constraint force acting on a particle resting on a smooth plane inclined at an angle θ, which is being raised at a constant rate α. The Lagrangian is established using kinetic and potential energy, leading to a constraint equation that involves the relationship between x and y coordinates. The method of undetermined multipliers is applied to derive equations of motion, resulting in expressions that relate the accelerations and forces acting on the particle. The participant explores the possibility of using polar coordinates while emphasizing the importance of maintaining both r and φ as generalized coordinates without integrating the constraint into the energy terms. The conversation highlights the complexity of the problem and the preference for using Lagrange multipliers to address the constraints effectively.
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Homework Statement


A particle of mass ##m## rests on a smooth plane. The plane is raised to an inclination ##\theta## at constant rate ##\alpha##. Find the constraint force.

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##L=\frac{1}{2}m(\dot{x}^2+\dot{y}^2)-mgy## Lagrangian

##f=\frac{y}{x}-\tan\alpha t = 0 ## constraint equation

##\partial_y f = \frac{1}{x}##

##\partial_x f = \frac{-y}{x^2}##

##\partial_q L - d_t \partial_\dot{q} L + \lambda \partial_q f = 0 ## Method of undetermined multipliers formula.

##\to \boxed{m\ddot{x}+\lambda \frac{y}{x^2} = 0} \quad \boxed{mg+m\ddot{y}=\frac{\lambda}{x}}##

Using tedious manipulation I've gotten to the point where I can say

##\ddot{x}x+\ddot{y}y+gy=0##

And haven't found any other useful formula.

I know I could switch to a polar coordinate basis and find ##r(t)## there and solve ##x## and ##y## and indirectly find constraint forces, but I'm not interested in that. Unless I'm clearly using the Lagrange undetermined multipliers.
 
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Here's an idea: Write the Lagrangian in terms of polar coordinates, but keep both ## r ## and ## \phi ## as the generalized coordinates - do not incorporate the constraint into the kinetic or potential energy terms. Rather, incorporate it through the Lagrange multiplier technique.
 

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