Vector sample problem -- Force components on a spring mechanism

In summary, the conversation discusses determining the amount and type of spring force needed to create a resulting vertical force. The suggested calculation involves resolving the force into its horizontal and vertical components, and using vector addition to determine the resultant force. The final conclusion is that the spring must apply a force of -60 lbs and will be in compression to produce the desired vertical force.
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Homework Statement
Resolve to its component
Relevant Equations
vector addition
Determine the amount and type (tensile or compressive) of the spring force so that the resulting force is a vertical force. Also get the resultant force.

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i find 60N (compressive)
and resultant forces is 10800
is that correct?
 
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sHatDowN said:
Homework Statement:: Resolve to its component
Relevant Equations:: vector addition

Determine the amount and type (tensile or compressive) of the spring force so that the resulting force is a vertical force. Also get the resultant force.

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i find 60N (compressive)
and resultant forces is 10800
is that correct?
The exerted force is given in lb, not N.
How did you determine the spring is compressed?
How did you calculate the resultant?
 
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haruspex said:
How did you determine the spring is compressed?
First, i calculate Fx,Then we apply opposite force.
haruspex said:
How did you calculate the resultant?
R=F2+Fx2-2(F)(Fx)cos120
 
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Actually,Its √10800
=103.92
 
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sHatDowN said:
Actually,Its √10800
=103.92

Your magnitude is ok. I would have just noted that for ##R## to be vertical the force applied by the spring is opposite the component of ##F## in the horizontal direction ##{}^+ \leftarrow, {}^+ \downarrow##:

$$ F_s = - F \cos 60° = -60 ~[\rm{lbf}]$$

$$R = F \sin 60° = 60 \sqrt{3} ~ [\rm{lbf}]$$

Which is what you have.

However, is the spring in tension or compression when it is applying the force ##F_s##?
 
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sHatDowN said:
... Determine the amount and type (tensile or compressive) of the spring force so that the resulting force is a vertical force.
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The represented guide for that wheel (pushing or pulling the spring) is limiting the direction in which the spring is receiving any force, which is horizontal, rather than vertical.
 
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Lnewqban said:
:oldconfused:

The represented guide for that wheel (pushing or pulling the spring) is limiting the direction in which the spring is receiving any force, which is horizontal, rather than vertical.
Yes, you right thanks alot
 
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Did you change your mind about it being in compression?
 
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Yes, thanks alot.
 
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Lnewqban said:
:oldconfused:

The represented guide for that wheel (pushing or pulling the spring) is limiting the direction in which the spring is receiving any force, which is horizontal, rather than vertical.
You misunderstand the question. It is asking what horizontal force from the spring will produce a vertical force when combined with the applied force F (and whether the spring will be in tension or compression). Which is a complicated way of asking for the force on the spring in equilibrium.
 

FAQ: Vector sample problem -- Force components on a spring mechanism

What is a vector sample problem involving force components on a spring mechanism?

A vector sample problem involving force components on a spring mechanism typically involves breaking down the forces acting on a spring into their respective components, usually along the x and y axes. This helps in understanding how much of the force is acting in each direction and is crucial for solving problems related to equilibrium, motion, and deformation of the spring.

How do you resolve the force components in a spring mechanism?

To resolve the force components in a spring mechanism, you first need to identify the angle at which the force is applied. Using trigonometric functions, you can then calculate the components. For example, if a force F is applied at an angle θ to the horizontal, the horizontal component Fx can be found using Fx = F * cos(θ) and the vertical component Fy using Fy = F * sin(θ).

What equations are used to solve vector problems involving springs?

The primary equations used in solving vector problems involving springs are Hooke's Law, F = -kx, where F is the force exerted by the spring, k is the spring constant, and x is the displacement from the equilibrium position. Additionally, trigonometric identities are used to resolve the forces into components. For equilibrium problems, you may also use ΣFx = 0 and ΣFy = 0, where ΣFx and ΣFy are the sums of all horizontal and vertical forces, respectively.

How do you determine the spring constant in a vector sample problem?

The spring constant, denoted as k, can be determined experimentally by measuring the force applied to the spring and the resulting displacement. The spring constant is the ratio of the force exerted by the spring to the displacement, k = F/x. In a vector sample problem, you may need to resolve the forces into components before applying this relationship.

What are common mistakes to avoid when solving vector problems involving springs?

Common mistakes include not properly resolving the force into its components, neglecting the direction of the force, and not accounting for all forces acting on the spring. Another frequent error is incorrectly applying Hooke’s Law by not considering the correct displacement or using the wrong spring constant. Ensuring that all units are consistent and double-checking calculations can help avoid these mistakes.

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