Vectors in Special Relativity

In summary, the conversation discusses the derivation of the inverse Schwarz inequality for two time-like vectors and how this particular case can prove the general statement. The argument presented is that both sides of the inequality are Lorentz invariant scalars and thus remain true under a Lorentz transformation. The discussion also touches on the confusion over the notation and the use of the term "inverse" for the inequality.
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I've been reading Barut's "Electrodynamics and Classical Theory of Fields and Particles" and he derives de inverse Schwarz inequality for two time-like vectors [itex]<z_1,z_2>^2\ge z_1^2z_2^2[/itex] in the folowing way : " To show this we can assume without loss of generatlity z_2 to be (1,0,0,0). Then [itex](z_1^0)^2\ge(z_1^0)^2-(z_1^1)^2-(z_1^2)^2-(z_1^3)^2[/itex] which proves the statement".
My question is because I don't see how this particular case can prove the general statement
 
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If you are given that z_2 is a timelike vector then, by definition, there exists some inertial reference frame where z_2 = (ct,0,0,0), then by appropriate choice of units you can have z_2 = (1,0,0,0). Then since the left side and the right side are each quantities which are invariant under the Lorentz transform we immediately know that the result applies for all inertial frames.
 
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This can be confusing. To add to what Dale said,

Both sides of the inequality are Lorentz invariant scalars. If the left side is strictly greater than the right side,

[itex]\left<z_1,z_2\right>^{2} > \left<z_1,z_1 \right>\left<z_2,z_2 \right>[/itex]

then under a Lorentz transformation the inequality still holds. That was supposed to be a <z1,z2>2, on the right, but didn't come out well.

If the left and right are equal, they remain equal under a Lorentz transform. This is the case of parallel vectors.
 
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Thank you DaleSpan, now I see the book's argument.
I don't unterstand Phrak when you say it didn't come out well, in this case we are talking about the "inverse" Shchwarz inequality it's supposed to be on the "wrong" side
 
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facenian said:
I don't unterstand Phrak when you say it didn't come out well
I think Phrak just meant that the LaTeX didn't display the way he wanted it to.
 

FAQ: Vectors in Special Relativity

What is a vector in special relativity?

A vector in special relativity is a mathematical entity that represents both magnitude and direction in the four-dimensional space-time continuum. It is used to describe the motion and position of objects in relation to each other.

How are vectors used in special relativity?

Vectors are used in special relativity to represent the four-dimensional displacement between two points in space-time. They are also used to calculate the velocity and acceleration of objects moving through space-time.

What is the difference between vectors in special relativity and traditional vectors?

The main difference between vectors in special relativity and traditional vectors is that special relativity takes into account the effects of time dilation and length contraction, while traditional vectors do not. This means that vectors in special relativity must be represented in four dimensions, while traditional vectors are typically represented in three dimensions.

How do vectors change in special relativity?

In special relativity, vectors can change due to the effects of time dilation and length contraction. This means that the magnitude and direction of a vector may appear different to different observers depending on their relative motion. However, the overall properties of the vector remain unchanged.

Can vectors be added or subtracted in special relativity?

Yes, vectors can be added or subtracted in special relativity, just like in traditional vector mathematics. However, the equations used to calculate these operations take into account the four-dimensional nature of space-time and the effects of time dilation and length contraction.

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