Vectors/Tensors-spherical coordinates. z component of force of fluid on a sphere

In summary, this person is a chemical engineer who is unfamiliar with the principles of fluid mechanics, and is seeking help from other physics experts. The stress tensor in spherical coordinates is given by pδ + τ = T
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racnna
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i am a chemical engineer but this is fluid mechanics stuff so i figured you physics geniuses would know this stuff

so to find the z component of force exerted by fluid on the surface of the sphere they find the normal force acting on a surface element of the sphere, integrated over the entire surface of the sphere. then dot it with unit vector in z direction. i am STUMPED as to how they found all the dot product in this integral. This is spherical coordinates

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6281/forcer.png

here's the final result...
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5597/answern.png

please let me know if you need any additional information
 
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hi racnna! :smile:

(δ and τ are tensors (matrices))

(i don't really approve of the "dot" between the tensor and the vector :redface:)

δ.δr = δr

δr.δz = rcosθ

etc :wink:
 
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hey tim you mind walking me through it with a little more detail. i have been performing these dot products for hours hours and still can't arrive at the final integral.

in spherical coordinates...

τ =
rr τ 0 ]
θr 0 0 ]
[0 0 0 ]

pδ =
[p 0 0]
[0 p 0]
[0 0 p]

so pδ+τ=
[p+τrr τ 0]
θr p 0]
[0 0 p]

are those steps correct?
 
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ooh nevermind...i think i got it now
 
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racnna said:
i am a chemical engineer but this is fluid mechanics stuff so i figured you physics geniuses would know this stuff

so to find the z component of force exerted by fluid on the surface of the sphere they find the normal force acting on a surface element of the sphere, integrated over the entire surface of the sphere. then dot it with unit vector in z direction. i am STUMPED as to how they found all the dot product in this integral. This is spherical coordinates

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6281/forcer.png

here's the final result...
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5597/answern.png

please let me know if you need any additional information

This is a response from a fellow chemical engineer. You seem to be using Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot as your textbook. BSL has an appendix that teaches how to work with second order tensors, like the stress tensor. Here is a brief summary, customized to your problem:

For this problem, the stress tensor is given by

pδ + τ = T = Trr δrδr + T (δrδθ + δθδr) + Tθθ δθδθ + T[itex]\phi\phi[/itex] δ[itex]\phi[/itex]δ[itex]\phi[/itex]

According to Cauchy's Stress relationship, the stress vector σ (i.e., vectorial force per unit area) acting on the surface of the sphere is equal to the dot product of the stress tensor with a unit normal to the surface (in this case, the unit vector in the radial direction):

σ = δr [itex]\cdot[/itex] T = Trr δr + T δθ

The component of the force per unit area in the z direction is obtained by dotting the stress vector on the surface σ with a unit vector in the z direction:

σ [itex]\cdot[/itex] δz = Trr cosθ - T sinθ

I hope this helps. Study the appendix in BSL.
 
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hey there fellow ChE ...thanks!...just curious are you in grad school?
 
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racnna said:
hey there fellow ChE ...thanks!...just curious are you in grad school?
Not exactly. I'm a 70 year old retiree who used the original edition of BSL, believe it or not, in 1962. The more recent editions of BSL reference a paper I did with my thesis advisor Joe Goddard (still active at UCSD) in the late 1960's.

Chet
 
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oh wow...thats amazing. How would you compare the original version with the current version?
 
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racnna said:
oh wow...thats amazing. How would you compare the original version with the current version?

I'll answer you in a private message so that we don't compel everyone else to be occupied in our chit chat.

Chet
 

FAQ: Vectors/Tensors-spherical coordinates. z component of force of fluid on a sphere

What are vectors and tensors in spherical coordinates?

Vectors and tensors are mathematical objects used to describe physical quantities in three-dimensional space. In spherical coordinates, they are represented by three components: radial, azimuthal, and polar. They are used to describe the direction and magnitude of forces, velocities, and other physical quantities.

How do you convert between Cartesian and spherical coordinates?

To convert between Cartesian and spherical coordinates, you can use the following equations:

x = r * sin(θ) * cos(ϕ)

y = r * sin(θ) * sin(ϕ)

z = r * cos(θ)

where r is the distance from the origin, θ is the angle between the positive z-axis and the vector, and ϕ is the angle between the positive x-axis and the projection of the vector onto the xy-plane.

What is the z component of force of fluid on a sphere?

The z component of force of fluid on a sphere is the force exerted by a fluid on a sphere in the z-direction, perpendicular to the surface of the sphere. This force is a result of the fluid pressure acting on the surface of the sphere. It can be calculated using the equation: Fz = π * r^2 * p, where r is the radius of the sphere and p is the pressure of the fluid.

How is the z component of force of fluid on a sphere affected by the orientation of the sphere?

The z component of force of fluid on a sphere is affected by the orientation of the sphere in relation to the direction of fluid flow. If the sphere is aligned with the flow, the z component of force will be zero. However, if the sphere is perpendicular to the flow, the z component of force will be at its maximum value. The exact value of the force also depends on the size and shape of the sphere.

What is the significance of the z component of force of fluid on a sphere in fluid dynamics?

The z component of force of fluid on a sphere is an important parameter in fluid dynamics, as it can be used to calculate the total force exerted by a fluid on a sphere. This force is essential in understanding the behavior of particles or objects in a fluid, such as in the study of fluid flow around objects or the motion of particles in a fluid. It is also an important factor to consider in designing structures that will be exposed to fluid flow.

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