Very Basic QM problem: Commuter of position and momentum operators

In summary, the conversation is discussing the proof of the uncertainty relation between position and momentum in introductory or advanced physics. The given solution is incorrect due to a slight error in extending the derivative of product. The correct solution involves the use of the quantum Poisson bracket operator to show that [x,p] = ih, as stated in the textbook.
  • #1
Pinu7
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I'm not exactly sure if this belongs in introductory or advanced physics help.

Homework Statement


In my book, the author was explaining the proof of the Uncertainty relation between po
position and momentum.

It simply stated that [x,p]= ih(h is reduced)
But when I tried to verify it I got -ih. I now it would give the same result, but it still won't be good for me to mess up a fundamental concept so early.

Homework Equations


[tex]\hat{p}[/tex]=-ih d/dx
[tex]\hat{x}[/tex]=[tex]\hat{x}[/tex]
[A,B]=AB-BA

The Attempt at a Solution


[x,p][tex]\left|\psi[/tex]>=(xp-pa)[tex]\left|\psi[/tex]>=xp[tex]\left|\psi[/tex]>-pa[tex]\left|\psi[/tex]>

It would become this:
-ihx d[tex]\psi[/tex]/dx -ihx-(-ihx d[tex]\psi[/tex]/dx)=
-ihx

Which is not the answer my book gave me.
 
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Your answer isn't right. The px part means you have to differentiate x*psi. Use the product rule.
 
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Hello, Pinu7 ! I wish I could do some help.

Firstly, I'd like to tell you that, the given attempt solution is incorrect, for the sign of $i\hbar x$ is plus rather than minus. It is a slight carelessness in extending the derivative of product. Now, I will re-perform the calculating in details. And please translate the tex codes yourself.

For one-dimensional simplified case, as put forward in the question (or for the x-component of 3-dimensional analyses):
$$
\hat{x}=x
$$
$$
\hat{p}= -i\hbar \frac{d}{dx}
$$
Hence, with the quantum Poisson bracket operator:

[\hat{x}, \hat{p}] \phi = \hat{x} \hat{p} \phi - \hat{p} \hat{x} \phi

= -i\hbar x \frac{d}{dx} \phi -( -i\hbar \frac{d}{dx} (x \phi))

= -i\hbar x \frac{d}{dx} \phi -( -i\hbar \phi -i\hbar x \frac{d}{dx} \phi ) (Look Out! Your Carelessness Happens Here!)

= i\hbar \phi

Just as the textbook gives.
 

FAQ: Very Basic QM problem: Commuter of position and momentum operators

What is the commutator of position and momentum operators?

The commutator of position and momentum operators is a mathematical operation that determines the order in which these operators are applied to a wave function. It is represented by the symbol [x, p] and is equal to ih/2π, where i is the imaginary unit and h is Planck's constant.

Why is the commutator of position and momentum operators important in quantum mechanics?

The commutator of position and momentum operators is important because it represents the uncertainty relationship between position and momentum in quantum mechanics. This relationship, known as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, states that the more precisely we know the position of a particle, the less precisely we can know its momentum, and vice versa.

How is the commutator of position and momentum operators calculated?

The commutator of position and momentum operators is calculated by taking the difference between the operators multiplied in each possible order, and then dividing by ih/2π. This can be expressed as [x, p] = xp - px = ih/2π.

What is the physical interpretation of the commutator of position and momentum operators?

The physical interpretation of the commutator of position and momentum operators is that it represents the fundamental uncertainty in measuring both quantities simultaneously. This uncertainty arises due to the wave-like nature of particles in quantum mechanics, where their position and momentum cannot be precisely determined at the same time.

Can the commutator of position and momentum operators be generalized to other pairs of operators?

Yes, the commutator of position and momentum operators can be generalized to any pair of operators in quantum mechanics. This is because the commutator represents the fundamental uncertainty relationship between two quantities, which is a universal principle in quantum mechanics.

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