Wave Functions of Definite Momentum

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of a wave function with definite momentum, ψ=Aeipx/ħ. The speaker mentions that since there is a momentum 'p' in the exponential, the momentum is known exactly and the position must be completely unknown. However, the 'x' in the exponential is not defined in the given context. It is clarified that 'x' represents the position. The wave function is a function of position and momentum, and the expectation value of the particle's position can also be exactly known. However, due to the probabilistic nature of the expectation value, the exact position of the particle is not known. The main issue with the given wave function is that it is not normalizable, meaning the
  • #36
PeterDonis said:
Basically, yes, but with some clarifications. If you plot ##\Psi## as a function of ##x##, you are plotting the values you get when you evaluate the function ##\Psi(x)## for each different value of ##x##. Which function ##\Psi(x)## that is will depend on what value you pick for ##p##--or, more generally, what kind of wave function you want to work with (functions of the form ##Ae^{ipx}##--leaving out the factor ##\hbar## for simplicity--are not the only possible kinds of wave functions).

Similarly, if you plot ##\Psi## as a function of ##p##, you are plotting the values you get when you evaluate the function ##\Psi(p)## for each different value of ##p##. Which function ##\Psi(p)## that is will depend on what kind of wave function you want to work with.

The relationship between the functions ##\Psi(x)## and ##\Psi(p)## is that they are Fourier transforms of each other. In the case we are working with, where the function ##\Psi(x)## is ##A e^{ipx}##, the corresponding function ##\Psi(p)##, obtained by Fourier transforming ##\Psi(x)##, is ##\delta(p)##, where ##\delta## stands for the Dirac delta function. (Which is not actually a "function", strictly speaking--but for our purposes here we can think of it as one, which is zero for any value of momentum except the single value ##p##.)

So if you draw a graph of your ##\Psi(x)##, for some particular value of ##p##, you will find that it looks like a "corkscrew" winding around the ##x## axis (think of stacking an infinite series of complex planes, one for each value of ##x##, and plotting the complex value of ##\Psi(x)## for each value of ##x## in the plane corresponding to that value of ##x##). The particular value of ##p## that you pick determines how tightly the corkscrew winds--the higher the value of ##p##, the tighter the windings (i.e., the more closely spaced they are).

And if you draw a graph of the ##\Psi(p)## that corresponds to the above ##\Psi(x)##, you will find that it is a single "spike" at a particular value of ##p## on the ##p## axis--everywhere else it is zero.

Perfect - thank you! I understand that now. Thanks for all your help (and patience). One final question if you could - when you find the complex value of the wavefunction what position 'x' do you actually put it? Is it a number measured in metres for example? If so, how would you define its position? If you put in 1mm for example - you would have to put in some framework for what 1mm means wouldn't you? I have seen wavefunctions in terms of confined in a box but how do you relate the 'x' to where exactly your looking because 1mm could mean anything.
 
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Jimmy87 said:
I have seen wavefunctions in terms of confined in a box but how do you relate the 'x' to where exactly your looking because 1mm could mean anything.
In that case the wave function contains the length of the box L as a parameter. For example, the lowest-energy state of a particle in a box that extends from x = 0 to x = L is $$\psi(x) = \sqrt{\frac 2 L} \sin \left( \frac {\pi x} L \right)$$ You can use whatever units you like for x and L, so long as you use the same units for both. This means that ##\psi## itself has units corresponding to the length unit that you use for x, because its value depends on the number you use for L in the factor in front. This is OK, because when you use ##\psi##, you have to use it in such a way that involves x again, and you have to use the same units there.

For example, if you want to calculate the probability that the particle lies between x = a and x = b, you evaluate the integral $$P = \int_a^b |\psi(x)|^2 \, dx$$ The units you use for a and b have to match the units that you use for x and L. The value of the probability P doesn't depend on the units, so long as a and b mark off the same "fraction" of the box in whatever units you're using.

In fact, in a calculation like this one, it should be possible to phrase it in such a way as to avoid using specific units for x, L, a and b. In calculating P above, for example, we can specify the limits as fractions of L, e.g. a = 0.25L and b = 0.9L.
 
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Jimmy87 said:
when you find the complex value of the wavefunction what position 'x' do you actually put it? Is it a number measured in metres for example?

You can choose any units you want for ##x##, as long as the rest of the wave function's units are chosen to correspond--for example, if you measure ##x## in SI units of meters, you would need to use SI units for other things like momentum ##p## and ##\hbar## as well.
 
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@vanhees71 , why have you integrated the quantities over all ##\mathbb{R}## in post #35?
 
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Because I thought you are talking about particles in free space.
 
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Some posts do talk about the "particle in a box", where the particle is confined to a certain region of space. However, this doesn't prevent us from writing the integrals over all space as vanhees71 did. The regions where ##\psi = 0## simply don't contribute any value to the integral.
 
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  • #42
Well, a "particle in a box" in the usual sense (rigid boundary conditions) forbid the definition of a momentum observable. You can invoke periodic boundary conditions, where this is possible, and this is often needed in some calculations, particularly in many-body QFT. This is a perfect example for a pretty useless conversation due to the fact that the problem to be answered is not specifically defined!
 

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