What are the domain and range of this relation

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of domain and range in relation to a given equation y^2(x^2 - 1) = x^4. The equation is equivalent to y^2 = x^4/(x^2 - 1) and from this, the value of y can be solved for. The user is challenging others to figure out the domain and range of the given relation, and clarifies that this is not a question for themselves but rather a test of others' knowledge. The conversation ends with the suggestion to lock the thread since it is not a valid homework problem.
  • #1
checkitagain
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in interval notation?



[itex]y^2(x^2 - 1) = x^4[/itex]





(This is my own problem.)
 
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  • #2
checkitagain said:
in interval notation?



[itex]y^2(x^2 - 1) = x^4[/itex]





(This is my own problem.)

Do you know the definition of Domain and Range of a function? Can you tell us what you think they are?

Then, is there anything that would inherently limit the domain of the function?

EDIT -- BTW, you haven't really defined a function yet. Domain and Range generally apply to a function...
 
  • #3
If you put the relation into the form y = f(x), then you can talk about the Domain and Range of that function...
 
  • #4
checkitagain said:
in interval notation?



[itex]y^2(x^2 - 1) = x^4[/itex]





(This is my own problem.)

Your equation is equivalent to
[tex]y^2 = \frac{x^4}{x^2 - 1}[/tex]
From this, you can solve for y.
 
  • #5
berkeman said:
Do you know the definition of Domain and Range of a function? Can you tell us what you think they are?

Then, is there anything that would inherently limit the domain of the function?

EDIT -- BTW, you haven't really defined a function yet. Domain and Range generally apply to a function...


I am not trying to define a function. I know this is a relation
that is not a function.

And relations can have domains and ranges, as this one does.

In this problem I am challenging others with, I expect others to know
what the domain and range mean, but those aren't questions for me
in this particular problem.



One of many sources:

http://www.purplemath.com/modules/fcns2.htm

This relation can't be put into into a form y = f(x), because it isn't
a function to begin with.
 
  • #6
Mark44 said:
Your equation is equivalent to
[tex]y^2 = \frac{x^4}{x^2 - 1}[/tex]
From this, you can solve for y.

No, I am testing (read: challenging) users' knowledge
of domain and range to figure them out of this relation,
whether in my form or the equivalent form given by
Mark44.

I will be on at least a 90-minute break before returning
to this thread.
 
  • #7
checkitagain said:
I am not trying to define a function. I know this is a relation
that is not a function.

And relations can have domains and ranges, as this one does.

In this problem I am challenging others with, I expect others to know
what the domain and range mean, but those aren't questions for me
in this particular problem.
It would have been helpful to include that information in your first post.

And that brings up a question: Since this isn't a question for you, why did you post it?
checkitagain said:
One of many sources:

http://www.purplemath.com/modules/fcns2.htm

This relation can't be put into into a form y = f(x), because it isn't
a function to begin with.
 
  • #8
checkitagain said:
No, I am testing (read: challenging) users' knowledge
of domain and range to figure them out of this relation,
whether in my form or the equivalent form given by
Mark44.

I will be on at least a 90-minute break before returning
to this thread.

Since this is just testing of our knowledge, this means that this isn't a valid homework problem. So the thread can be locked.
 

FAQ: What are the domain and range of this relation

What is the definition of domain and range in a relation?

The domain of a relation is the set of all possible input values or independent variables, while the range is the set of all possible output values or dependent variables.

How do you determine the domain and range of a given relation?

To determine the domain, you must identify all possible input values in the relation. This can be done by looking at the given inputs or by solving for the independent variable in the equation. The range can be determined by looking at all possible output values in the relation.

Can the domain and range of a relation be the same?

Yes, it is possible for the domain and range to be the same in a relation. This is often the case in a one-to-one function, where each input has a unique output value.

What are some examples of domains and ranges in a relation?

An example of a domain and range in a relation could be the height and weight of a group of people. The domain would be the range of possible heights, while the range would be the range of possible weights.

How can the domain and range affect the graph of a relation?

The domain and range can greatly affect the shape and appearance of a graph. A larger domain and range can result in a wider and taller graph, while a smaller domain and range can result in a narrower and shorter graph. The domain and range can also determine the overall slope and curvature of a graph.

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