What are the expressions for radiation and convection heat transfer?

In summary, the person standing near the heater is getting heat through both convection and some conduction through the air. The dominant mode of heat transfer would depend on the type of heater, with options such as convection for a radiator and radiative infrared heat for an electric heater. It is an oversimplification to say that the air will move from the heater to the person, as there are other factors such as the confinement of the room and existing airflows. However, in a uniform room temperature distribution, there would not be much flow of heat due to air currents, so the person would likely experience more conduction heat transfer. Overall, radiation is slower than convection in transferring heat.
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moatasim23
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A person is standing near heater .How is he getting heat?
 
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Both. Plus, some conduction through the air.
 
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gmax137 said:
Both. Plus, some conduction through the air.

It came in my test as Multiple Choice Question and there was no option for ALL.So i expect it has some definite answer.Please help me sort it out.Bcz it is confusing me.Thanks
 
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I think it depends on what kind of heater, but nearly all heaters have a fan.
 
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Sounds like your teacher just doesn't know how to make test questions. Quite literally all three modes of heat transfer apply here. I suspect he/she was looking for convection though.
 
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Yeah, it would in some way be both (I would think that conduction by air is mostly just another way of saying convection in this case since the heated air will flow from the heater to the person, very little actual conduction will be taking place. I think you would have to assume a more or less uniform room temperature for the heat transfer from the air to be conduction). But I would say that the dominant mode would depend upon the type of heater. Take a radiator, that is mainly convection but something like an electric heater can put out a large amount of radiative infrared heat.
 
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Born2bwire said:
I would think that conduction by air is mostly just another way of saying convection in this case since the heated air will flow from the heater to the person, very little actual conduction will be taking place. I think you would have to assume a more or less uniform room temperature for the heat transfer from the air to be conduction.

Movement of air as a result of temperature differences is a result of buoyancy, so the forces are parallel to gravity. Sure, in this case the fluids are arranged so that the strata are unstable and you would end up with horizontal movement that way, but all that hot air would end up heading upward anyway. It is an oversimplification to say that the air will move from the heater to the person in general.

Also, with a uniform room temperature distribution, the heat transfer would be zero. You can't transfer heat without a temperature difference.
 
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boneh3ad said:
Movement of air as a result of temperature differences is a result of buoyancy, so the forces are parallel to gravity. Sure, in this case the fluids are arranged so that the strata are unstable and you would end up with horizontal movement that way, but all that hot air would end up heading upward anyway. It is an oversimplification to say that the air will move from the heater to the person in general.

Also, with a uniform room temperature distribution, the heat transfer would be zero. You can't transfer heat without a temperature difference.

The movement of heated air in a room does not generally just float up, due to the confinement of the room it will disperse about the ceiling and so forth plus there are the existing airflows in a room brought about from the ventilation system and pressure differences. But if you have a uniformily heated environment, then there isn't going to be much flow of heat due to the air currents. So anyone stepping into the room and absorbing heat (or cooling off) will probably experience more conduction heat transfer.

Either way, this is meant to be a simplification because it appears to be high school level at most.
 
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moatasim23 said:
It came in my test as Multiple Choice Question and there was no option for ALL.So i expect it has some definite answer.Please help me sort it out.Bcz it is confusing me.Thanks

Probably what it should have said was how is he mostly getting heat, then. And the answer would be convection. Radiation is slow.
 
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Born2bwire said:
The movement of heated air in a room does not generally just float up, due to the confinement of the room it will disperse about the ceiling and so forth plus there are the existing airflows in a room brought about from the ventilation system and pressure differences. But if you have a uniformily heated environment, then there isn't going to be much flow of heat due to the air currents. So anyone stepping into the room and absorbing heat (or cooling off) will probably experience more conduction heat transfer.

Either way, this is meant to be a simplification because it appears to be high school level at most.

And the simplification would be that it doesn't move from the heater to the person. Natural convection is a buoyant phenomenon. The lateral movement is due to other phenomenon, for example the Rayleigh-Taylor instability, so I would contend that the oversimplified version is that the air won't move laterally from hot to cold directly as a result of the heater. It only does so because of more advanced concepts.
 
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jetwaterluffy said:
Probably what it should have said was how is he mostly getting heat, then. And the answer would be convection. Radiation is slow.

How could it be?I thought convection was slow bcz in it the air has first to be heated and then rise up.So that convection cycle starts and the room gets heated up.In this way he gets heat.While through radiation he will get heat directly.Isnt it so?
 
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moatasim23 said:
How could it be?I thought convection was slow bcz in it the air has first to be heated and then rise up.So that convection cycle starts and the room gets heated up.In this way he gets heat.While through radiation he will get heat directly.Isnt it so?
Not really. Look at how dimly glass or metal glows when heated to ridiculously hot temperatures. That is the only way the energy is getting out. Convection may be slow, but radiation is slower still.
 
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jetwaterluffy said:
Not really. Look at how dimly glass or metal glows when heated to ridiculously hot temperatures. That is the only way the energy is getting out. Convection may be slow, but radiation is slower still.

Take a look at the arithematic expressions for radiation and convection boundary conditions. For radiation it is

q = sigma * epsilon * (T^4 - Tamb^4) where

T is source temperature in absolute degrees
Tamb is temperature of body being bombarded radiation, absolute
sigma is Stephan Boltzmann constant
epsilon is emissivity - assume about 0.9
q heat exhanged per unit area-time


For natural convection a common expression from heat transfer texts (Holeman) is:

q = c * (T - Tamb)^1.333
where c is a constant 0.19
T is source temperature
Tamb is ambient temperature
q heat exhanged per unit area-time

Plug in some numbers and see what you get.
 

FAQ: What are the expressions for radiation and convection heat transfer?

What is the difference between convection and radiation?

Convection refers to the transfer of heat through the movement of fluids or gases, while radiation is the transfer of heat through electromagnetic waves.

Which method of heat transfer is more efficient?

Convection is typically more efficient than radiation as it can transfer heat over larger distances and can be controlled more easily through the use of fans or pumps.

How does convection occur in the atmosphere?

In the atmosphere, convection occurs through the movement of air masses due to differences in temperature and pressure. Warm air rises, while cool air sinks, creating convection currents.

Can convection and radiation occur at the same time?

Yes, in many cases both convection and radiation are occurring simultaneously. For example, in a heating system, radiation may transfer heat to objects in a room while convection moves the warm air around.

How does convection affect weather patterns?

Convection plays a crucial role in weather patterns, as it is responsible for the formation of clouds, precipitation, and wind. Warm air rising and cool air sinking creates pressure differences that drive weather systems.

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