What are the many null-infinities in Minkowskian space?

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In summary, Minkowski space has more ways to "go to infinity" in a null direction than in a timelike or spacelike direction, as seen in the 3D variant of Penrose diagrams. This is due to the fact that null infinity is the surface of the light cone, with each point on the light cone representing a distinct infinity. This is not the case for timelike and spacelike geodesics, which do not have a causal boundary and therefore do not have distinct endpoints at infinity.
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From Tong gravity notes pdf page 32 :

We see from the picture that there are more ways to “go to infinity” in a null direction than in a timelike or spacelike direction. This is one of the characteristic features of Minkowski space.

I read that also elsewhere.

Why are there many null-like infinities in Minkowski space? What are they?

Why do massive particles have all just one common point in infinity in space, future and space respectively, but for massless there are (infinitely) many infinities?
 
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Pnin said:
From Tong gravity notes pdf page 32 :

We see from the picture that there are more ways to “go to infinity” in a null direction than in a timelike or spacelike direction. This is one of the characteristic features of Minkowski space.

I read that also elsewhere.

Why are there many null-like infinities in Minkowski space? What are they?

Why do massive particles have all just one common point in infinity in space, future and space respectively, but for massless there are (infinitely) many infinities?
Null infinity is the surface of light cone. All points on light cone have the zero (null) interval between them in Minkowski space.
From 3D variant of Penrose diagram, massive particles go to positive or negative timelike infinity, while light cone surface ends in circles surrounding both of these infinities. And each point of these circles is infinity.
 
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trurle said:
Null infinity is the surface of light cone.

This is not correct. The surface of the light cone is composed of null geodesics from a particular event within the spacetime; it is not the same as null infinity.
 
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Pnin said:
We see from the picture that there are more ways to “go to infinity” in a null direction than in a timelike or spacelike direction.

I would not put it this way. If you look at how the null curves go, you will see that the different points of past null infinity are each the "source" of a different ingoing null curve, and the different points of future null infinity are each the "destination" of a different outgoing null curve. Furthermore, each ingoing null curve is matched at ##r = 0## to an outgoing null curve, so we can speak of a family of null curves that cover the entire spacetime, each one of which (a) starts at a distinct point on past null infinity, (b) covers a distinct set of points within the spacetime, and (c) ends at a distinct point on future null infinity.

So at any given point in the spacetime, you have only two null curves passing through it--one coming from past null infinity (which will go through ##r = 0## and then head out to future null infinity) and one going to future null infinity (because it has already gone through ##r = 0##). But you have multiple timelike and spacelike curves passing through that same point, because those curves can go in any direction that is within the appropriate limits of the light cones (whereas a null curve can only go on the light cones). So actually, your statement is backwards: there are many more timelike or spacelike directions at any given point in the spacetime than there are null directions, and since each such direction is a different "way to go to infinity", there are many more ways to go to infinity in a timelike or spacelike direction than in a null direction.

Your second way of phrasing your question is better; see below.

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Why do massive particles have all just one common point in infinity in space, future and space respectively, but for massless there are (infinitely) many infinities?

This is a better way of phrasing the question because it focuses on the number of points at infinity instead of the number of ways to go to infinity from a particular point in the spacetime. As my response above shows, the two are not the same.

I don't know that there is a good single well-accepted answer to this question. What follows is just my personal opinion.

A key property of null geodesics that is not shared by timelike and spacelike geodesics is that they are causal boundaries. In other words, null geodesics show the causal structure of the spacetime. So if we imagine moving along some chosen spacelike or timelike geodesic, we will encounter the whole family of null geodesics, and each one will be the causal boundary of a different causal region. That causal boundary property has to extend all the way to infinity, since the causal structure of the spacetime is preserved by the conformal transformations that are used to construct Penrose diagrams. That means each null geodesic has to have its own distinct endpoint at infinity.

However, the same is not true for timelike and spacelike geodesics because they are not causal boundaries. If we imagine moving along some chosen null geodesic, we will encounter the whole family of timelike and spacelike geodesics, but there is nothing in the causal structure of the spacetime that distinguishes anyone of them from any other. There is nothing that requires them to have distinct endpoints at infinity, because they are not causal boundaries of different causal regions.
 
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Great! Thanks, Peter.
 

Related to What are the many null-infinities in Minkowskian space?

What are the many null-infinities in Minkowskian space?

The null-infinities in Minkowskian space refer to the points at infinity in the Minkowski diagram, which is a graphical representation of Minkowski space. There are many null-infinities in Minkowskian space because Minkowski space is a four-dimensional space-time with infinite points along the null (light-like) directions.

Why are null-infinities important in Minkowskian space?

Null-infinities are important in Minkowskian space because they represent the boundary of the space-time and play a crucial role in understanding the geometry and physics of the space-time. They also help in visualizing the concept of causality and the behavior of light in Minkowski space.

How do null-infinities affect the behavior of light in Minkowskian space?

The null-infinities in Minkowskian space play a critical role in the behavior of light. Light rays always travel along the null directions, and the null-infinities represent the points at which light rays either originate or terminate. This helps in understanding the concept of the speed of light being constant in all frames of reference.

Are there any practical applications of understanding null-infinities in Minkowskian space?

Yes, understanding null-infinities in Minkowskian space is crucial in many practical applications, such as in GPS technology, which relies on the precise measurement of time and the speed of light. The concept of null-infinities is also important in understanding the behavior of black holes and the theory of relativity.

How can one visualize null-infinities in Minkowskian space?

The Minkowski diagram is a useful tool for visualizing null-infinities in Minkowskian space. It represents space and time as two perpendicular axes, with the null-infinities located at the edges of the diagram. The null-infinities can also be visualized as the points at which the light cones intersect the edges of the diagram.

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