What are the units of the probability flux j?

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The discussion focuses on determining the units of the probability flux j in quantum mechanics, defined as j = (ħ/2mi)(Ψ*∇Ψ - Ψ∇Ψ*). Participants clarify that the units of the wave function Ψ are not simply "probability amplitude," but rather involve dimensions of length, time, and mass. It is concluded that Ψ has units of 1/L^(3/2), leading to the units of ∇Ψ being 1/L^(5/2) and Ψ∇Ψ having units of 1/L^4. Ultimately, the correct interpretation of j's units is established as 1/(T*L^2), indicating a relationship with probability density over time. This analysis emphasizes the importance of dimensional analysis in quantum mechanics.
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Homework Statement


What are the units of the probability flux j?

\vec j = \frac{\hbar}{2mi}\left(\Psi^* \vec \nabla \Psi - \Psi \vec \nabla \Psi^*\right)


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The Attempt at a Solution



The units of psi are probability amplitude and the units of del(psi) are probability amplitude per unit area, so I would say the units are psi* del psi are probability density per unit area?
 
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Think about normalization equation for units of Psi.
Also, the del operator is a fancy sort of derivative (d/dx). It reduces dimension by one power of length, since x has the units of lenght.
 
ehrenfest said:

Homework Statement


What are the units of the probability flux j?

\vec j = \frac{\hbar}{2mi}\left(\Psi^* \vec \nabla \Psi - \Psi \vec \nabla \Psi^*\right)


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



The units of psi are probability amplitude

First off, psi is a probability amplitude but we can't say that the units are "probability amplitude". This does not quite make sense. Its' like saying that the units of "m" are "mass". Mass is the name of the quantity, it does not give its dimensions. Dimensions are expressible in terms of length, time and mass units (meter, second and kilogram in MKSA). So the first question is: what are the units of psi? The answer is provided by noticing that a normalized psi obeys \int dV | \psi|^2 = 1. That should give you the units of psi.

and the units of del(psi) are probability amplitude per unit area, so I would say the units are psi* del psi are probability density per unit area?
Not per unita area, per unit length. \frac{\partial }{\partial x} for example introduced a factor fo 1/meter in the dimensions of the quantity differentiated.
 
nrqed said:
The answer is provided by noticing that a normalized psi obeys \int dV | \psi|^2 = 1. That should give you the units of psi.

Are they sqrt(1/dV) then? So, then del * psi would have units 1/dV^2? That does not seem right.
 
del(psi) will have units of sqrt(1/V)/L. del is a derivative wrt length L.
 
Dick said:
del(psi) will have units of sqrt(1/V)/L. del is a derivative wrt length L.

So psi* del psi has units 1/V/L? How does this translate into probability density per unit length which I thought nrqed implied were the correct units of j?
 
ehrenfest said:
So psi* del psi has units 1/V/L? How does this translate into probability density per unit length which I thought nrqed implied were the correct units of j?

he didn't imply that. anyways, a probability is a pure number... so the dimension of "probability density" is just 1/L^3. thus a "probability density per unit length" would have dimensions of 1/L^4 which is the wrong units for j.

Perhaps what he was implying was that the units of psi*del psi are 1/L^4 which is correct. Now, what are the units of the rest of the things in your equation...
 
Planck's constant is J * s, mass is kg, so we have

kg * m^2 / s^2 * 1/kg * 1/ m^4 = 1/m^2/s^2

where m is meters. So how do you put that in words: length * probability density per second per second?
 
ehrenfest said:
Planck's constant is J * s, mass is kg, so we have

kg * m^2 / s^2 * 1/kg * 1/ m^4 = 1/m^2/s^2

where m is meters. So how do you put that in words: length * probability density per second per second?

you left off a factor of seconds... you said "Joule seconds" but you only put in the "joule" part.
 
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Sorry.

kg * m^2 / s * 1/kg * 1/ m^4 = 1/m^2/s
 
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thats right
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ehrenfest said:
Are they sqrt(1/dV) then? So, then del * psi would have units 1/dV^2? That does not seem right.

Yes, psi has units of q/sqrt(volume), so the units of \psi are \frac{1}{L^{3/2}} where L stands for length.

Therefore, the units of del psi are \frac{1}{L^{5/2}}, so the units of psi del psi are \frac{1}{L^4} as someone else pointed out.
 
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