What attribute makes some fluids more compressible than others?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the compressibility of fluids and how it differs between liquids and gases. It is mentioned that all fluids have some level of compressibility, with the term "incompressibility" being an ideal limit. The concept of bulk modulus is also introduced, which is the inverse of compressibility. The conversation also mentions the importance of considering fluid dynamics and compressibility in various practical applications, such as naval engineering and chemical reactions. It is noted that air can affect the compressibility of fluids, causing potential issues in hydraulic systems and pressure testing.
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Are all fluids incompresible? If not, what is the attribute that allows any compressible fluid to do so while others, such as hydraulic fluid to not?

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Are all fluids incompresible?
No. Air is compressible.
 
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Are all fluids incompresible? If not, what is the attribute that allows any compressible fluid to do so while others, such as hydraulic fluid to not?

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The word fluid includes liquids and gases. All fluids have some level of compressibility. The term incompressibity is an ideal limit of small, but finite, compressibility, and is often an excellent approximation.
 
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So I should have used the work liquids. So, all liquids have "some" compressibility? Even hydraulic oil?

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So I should have used the work liquids. So, all liquids have "some" compressibility? Even hydraulic oil?

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Sure
 
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thetexan said:
So I should have used the work liquids. So, all liquids have "some" compressibility? Even hydraulic oil?

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Look up tables showing the property called 'bulk modulus' for various liquids. It's the inverse of compressibility. While in mechanical applications higher bulk modulus means you're losing less power on compressing the liquid, it's not always worth the effort of going for exotic substances (I don't think anybody is using mercury in their hydraulics, despite its superior bulk modulus).
You'll find out that most hydraulic oils are not much different than water in terms of how compressible they are. But they do tend to have other desirable properties, such as higher boiling point, anti-corrosive or lubricative properties, etc.
 
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This is also a question of what you are interested in. When you are talking about calculating the aerodynamics of a boat, the assumption of water to be incompressible is certainly excellent. If you are doing chemical reactions in an autoclave at 100 kbar, it might turn out to be rather poor.
 
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This is also a question of what you are interested in. When you are talking about calculating the aerodynamics of a boat, the assumption of water to be incompressible is certainly excellent. If you are doing chemical reactions in an autoclave at 100 kbar, it might turn out to be rather poor.
Can you please give a specific reaction example where the fluid dynamics are affected in a liquid phase system?
 
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I think the OP was referring specifically to fluid dynamic considerations.
May be, I just wanted to indicate that the notion of whether a substance is compressible or not may be different between a naval engineer and a guy simulating nuclear bombs.
 
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The compressibility of some common fluids like water and hydraulic fluid can vary quite a lot in practical applications .

Air can get mixed in with these fluids very easily and the effect of the air is to make the fluids more compressible .

This effect can cause some serious problems in hydraulic systems and in work like boiler pressure testing .
 

FAQ: What attribute makes some fluids more compressible than others?

1. What does it mean for a fluid to be incompressible?

For a fluid to be considered incompressible, it means that its volume does not change significantly under the application of external forces or pressure. In other words, the fluid's density remains constant even when pressure is applied to it.

2. Are all liquids considered incompressible?

No, not all liquids are considered incompressible. Some liquids, such as water, have very low compressibility and can be considered incompressible for most practical purposes. However, other liquids, such as oils or gases, have higher compressibility and cannot be considered incompressible.

3. What is the difference between an incompressible fluid and a compressible fluid?

The main difference between an incompressible fluid and a compressible fluid is their response to external forces or pressure. Incompressible fluids have a constant density, while compressible fluids can change in density when pressure is applied.

4. Why is it important to know if a fluid is incompressible?

Knowing whether a fluid is incompressible is important in many fields of science and engineering, such as fluid mechanics, aerodynamics, and hydraulics. Incompressible fluids behave differently than compressible fluids, and understanding this difference can help in the design and analysis of various systems and processes.

5. Can a fluid be considered completely incompressible?

No, there is no such thing as a completely incompressible fluid. While some fluids, like water, may have very low compressibility, they will still undergo some change in density when pressure is applied. However, for practical purposes, these fluids can be considered incompressible due to their negligible change in density.

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