What does magnetic moment mean exactly?

In summary, the value of a particle's magnetic moment determines how likely it is to absorb or emit an electron. This is macroscopic behavior and is explained in more detail in other books, such as QED.
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nhmllr
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A friend asked me this but I'm not sure of my answer.

On a particle level, I said that the value of the magnetic moment determines how the probability is that the particle absorbs/emits an electron.

Is this right?

Thanks
 
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nhmllr said:
A friend asked me this but I'm not sure of my answer.

On a particle level, I said that the value of the magnetic moment determines how the probability is that the particle absorbs/emits an electron.

Is this right?

No. Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_moment

Wikipedia said:
The magnetic moment of a magnet is a quantity that determines the force the magnet can exert on electric currents and the torque that a magnetic field will exert on it. A loop of electric current, a bar magnet, an electron, a molecule, and a planet all have magnetic moments.
 
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Right. I know the practical definition. Let me elaborate.


I read QED. My friend is now reading QED. Both of us are thinking with those amplitude arrows and Feynman diagrams. The question is, what does magnetic moment determine? On a macroscopic level I know that it's the strength, but on a subatomic level, what does a particle with a high magnetic moment do differently from one with a low magnetic moment?
 
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nhmllr said:
Right. I know the practical definition. Let me elaborate.

I read QED. My friend is now reading QED. Both of us are thinking with those amplitude arrows and Feynman diagrams. The question is, what does magnetic moment determine? On a macroscopic level I know that it's the strength, but on a subatomic level, what does a particle with a high magnetic moment do differently from one with a low magnetic moment?

Its interaction with a background magnetic field is stronger. Have you seen the
[itex]\mu \cdot B[/itex] term that occurs in the potential energy? (Look at the section titled "Effects of an external magnetic field on a magnetic moment" in the Wiki page I mentioned.)

Basic derivations of the electron magnetic moment in relativistic Dirac theory use a nonrelativistic approximation to get it. More accurate QED derivations involve the electron-photon vertex. Peskin & Schroeder do this in sect 6.2 et. seq.
 
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strangerep said:
Its interaction with a background magnetic field is stronger. Have you seen the
[itex]\mu \cdot B[/itex] term that occurs in the potential energy? (Look at the section titled "Effects of an external magnetic field on a magnetic moment" in the Wiki page I mentioned.)

Basic derivations of the electron magnetic moment in relativistic Dirac theory use a nonrelativistic approximation to get it. More accurate QED derivations involve the electron-photon vertex. Peskin & Schroeder do this in sect 6.2 et. seq.

Wait a second, what do the symbols mu and B represent? It doesn't say on the Wiki

Also, to clarify, I mean that we're reading QED by Richard Feynman
 
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nhmllr said:
Wait a second, what do the symbols mu and B represent? It doesn't say on the Wiki

[itex]\mu[/itex] is the magnetic moment vector of the particle. B is the external magnetic field vector. (Also note that "magnetic moment" is short for "magnetic dipole moment" -- the lowest order term in a multipole expansion of a general magnetic field.)

Wiki uses "m" instead of [itex]\mu[/itex]. (I used [itex]\mu[/itex] because that usage is more familiar to me.)

Also, to clarify, I mean that we're reading QED by Richard Feynman
Unfortunately, I don't have that book -- and Amazon doesn't have "look inside" enabled for it so I can't see what you're reading.

Do you have a textbook on ordinary relativistic quantum physics (not full-blown QED) which discusses the Dirac equation and derives the (non-anomalous) magnetic moment of the electron? That might be a better place to start understanding this magnetic moment stuff. The more accurate anomalous magnetic moment derived in QED is just that: a more accurate derivation using a better theory.
 
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strangerep said:
[itex]\mu[/itex] is the magnetic moment vector of the particle. B is the external magnetic field vector. (Also note that "magnetic moment" is short for "magnetic dipole moment" -- the lowest order term in a multipole expansion of a general magnetic field.)

Wiki uses "m" instead of [itex]\mu[/itex]. (I used [itex]\mu[/itex] because that usage is more familiar to me.)


Unfortunately, I don't have that book -- and Amazon doesn't have "look inside" enabled for it so I can't see what you're reading.

Do you have a textbook on ordinary relativistic quantum physics (not full-blown QED) which discusses the Dirac equation and derives the (non-anomalous) magnetic moment of the electron? That might be a better place to start understanding this magnetic moment stuff. The more accurate anomalous magnetic moment derived in QED is just that: a more accurate derivation using a better theory.

Neither of us have any real experience with quantum mechanics. QED is a book for the layman, very few equations.

The answer I'm looking for is one that just says, qualitatively, how particles with different magnetic moments behave differently with virtual photons.

It is a weird question, I admit.
 
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nhmllr said:
Neither of us have any real experience with quantum mechanics. QED is a book for the layman, very few equations.

Oh, you meant "QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter"?
I thought you meant this one:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0201360756/?tag=pfamazon01-20

The answer I'm looking for is one that just says, qualitatively, how particles with different magnetic moments behave differently with virtual photons.

Virtual particles are just mnemonics for certain mathematical terms in a perturbation series. Thus, they are unphysical. But magnetic moment is a physical quantity. It's best not to mix fiction and nonfiction, or severe confusion becomes inevitable.

The closest I can get to a nonmathematical answer is that particles with larger magnetic moments have... well... a stronger magnetic field. Therefore they interact more strongly with another applied magnetic field, among other things.

Try to resist the widespread temptation to think of physical electromagnetic fields as being made up of (unphysical) virtual photons.
 
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strangerep said:
Oh, you meant "QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter"?
I thought you meant this one:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0201360756/?tag=pfamazon01-20



Virtual particles are just mnemonics for certain mathematical terms in a perturbation series. Thus, they are unphysical. But magnetic moment is a physical quantity. It's best not to mix fiction and nonfiction, or severe confusion becomes inevitable.

The closest I can get to a nonmathematical answer is that particles with larger magnetic moments have... well... a stronger magnetic field. Therefore they interact more strongly with another applied magnetic field, among other things.

Try to resist the widespread temptation to think of physical electromagnetic fields as being made up of (unphysical) virtual photons.

Aww, why you physicists got to keep bursting my bubble? :P
Thanks, though.
 
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FAQ: What does magnetic moment mean exactly?

1. What is magnetic moment?

Magnetic moment is a measure of the strength and direction of the magnetic field created by a magnet or a current-carrying conductor.

2. How is magnetic moment measured?

Magnetic moment is typically measured in units of ampere-meters squared (A·m²) or joules per tesla (J/T), using specialized instruments such as a magnetometer or a quantum magnetometer.

3. What factors affect magnetic moment?

The strength of a magnetic moment is affected by the size, shape, and material of the magnet or conductor, as well as the strength of the external magnetic field it is placed in.

4. What is the difference between magnetic moment and magnetic field?

Magnetic moment refers to the strength of the magnetic field created by a specific object, while magnetic field refers to the region in space where the magnetic force is experienced.

5. Why is magnetic moment important?

Magnetic moment is important in many fields, such as physics, engineering, and medicine. It is used in technologies such as MRI machines, compasses, and electric motors, and is also fundamental in understanding the behavior of particles at the atomic and subatomic level.

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