What is the angular speed of a rotating line of skaters?

In summary, the question involves eight 60-kg skaters forming a line and skating down an ice rink at 4.6 m/s. The skater at one end stops abruptly, causing the line to rotate rigidly about them. The task is to find the angular speed of the rotation. The solution involves applying conservation of angular momentum, but there are mistakes in the equations used. The initial axis of rotation is the center of mass of the skaters, and the final axis is the end of the rod. The moment of inertia of a rod through the center of mass is 1/12 ML^2. To find the final momentum, the mass of one person needs to be subtracted from the total mass of
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Homework Statement


Eight 60-kg skaters join hands and skate down an ice rink at 4.6 m/s. Side by side, they form a line 12m long. The skater at one end stops abruptly, and the line proceeds to rotate rigidly about that skater. Find the angular speed.


Homework Equations


[tex]L=I\omega[/tex]
[tex]I_{rod} = \frac{1}{3}ML^2[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I said that initial angular momentum = [tex]rmv = 6m \times 480kg \times 4.6m/s = 13248 kg m^2 /s[/tex]
final angular momentum = [tex]\frac{1}{3} \times 480 \times 12^2 \times \omega=23040\omega[/tex]
so
[tex]13248=23040\omega[/tex]
[tex]\omega=0.575 rad / sec[/tex]
which according to the book is wrong. In the book it said 0.537 rad /sec. What have I done wrong here?

thanks
 
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As far as I can tell...if he stops the group will rotate about his center not at the end of his body in which you are implying by r = 6. so find the length of each person etc...
 
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You applied conservation of angular momentum. Thats good. But the equations are wrong.

Think : What is the initial axis of rotation and the final axis of rotation. And find the angular momentum about those axes.
 
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Can you look at this like a weel? Where the stop person has velocity of zero and the far one has a velocity of 9.2m/s?
 
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FedEx said:
You applied conservation of angular momentum. Thats good. But the equations are wrong.

Think : What is the initial axis of rotation and the final axis of rotation. And find the angular momentum about those axes.

My guess was initial axis was the centre of mass of the skaters and the final axis was the end of the rod (I treated the line of skaters as a uniform rod)
 
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vladimir69 said:
My guess was initial axis was the centre of mass of the skaters and the final axis was the end of the rod (I treated the line of skaters as a uniform rod)

Thats true. But the initial momentum is not mvr. There is a mistake in the final momentum also.

Hint 1: What is the moment of inertia of a rod through the center of mass?

Hint 2: The mass for the final momentum is not 480. Think. you have to substract the mass of one person. The person about which the rotation is taking place.
 
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moment of inertia through the centre of a rod is
[tex]L=\frac{1}{12}ML^2[/tex]
i suppose you could pop off a 60kg here and there to get mass= 420kg but that doesn't make much sense to me because of my initial guesses. if it truly is a rod rotating right at the end of it then i thought i had to use
[tex]L=\frac{1}{3}ML^2[/tex]
as for the initial momentum i couldn't make another guess of what it could be

thanks for the help
 

FAQ: What is the angular speed of a rotating line of skaters?

What is angular momentum?

Angular momentum is a physical quantity that measures the amount of rotational motion of an object. It is a vector quantity that depends on the mass, velocity, and distance from the axis of rotation of the object.

How is angular momentum related to skaters?

When a skater is spinning, they have angular momentum. This is because they have mass, velocity, and are rotating around an axis (their body). The faster the skater spins, the greater their angular momentum will be.

What is the law of conservation of angular momentum?

The law of conservation of angular momentum states that the total angular momentum of a closed system remains constant over time, unless an external torque is applied. This means that the total amount of angular momentum of a group of skaters spinning together will remain the same unless an external force, such as friction, acts on them.

How does a skater change their angular momentum?

A skater can change their angular momentum by changing their rotational speed or by moving their limbs closer or further from their body. This is known as the conservation of angular momentum. For example, when a skater pulls their arms closer to their body, their rotational speed will increase, and therefore, their angular momentum will increase as well.

Why do figure skaters pull their arms in during a spin?

Figure skaters pull their arms in during a spin to decrease their moment of inertia. This means that their mass is distributed closer to the axis of rotation, causing their rotational speed to increase and their angular momentum to be conserved. This allows them to spin faster and perform more complicated tricks.

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