What is the best approach for solving the goniometric integral problem?

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In summary, the conversation involved a student struggling with solving an indefinite integral and seeking help. They shared their progress and strategies, including using substitutions and trigonometric identities. They also discussed the difficulty of the integral and asked for further assistance. Another person suggested using integration by parts and the student was able to complete the problem with their guidance. The final answer was confirmed to be correct.
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Hi,

I'm having some trouble with solving this indefinite integral.

[tex]
\int {\sqrt {\frac{{6\cos ^2 x + \sin x\cos (2x) + \sin x}}{{2 - \sin x}}} } dx
[/tex]

I was able to lose the sin(x) and get a cos(x) out of the square root by doing this:

[tex]
\int {\sqrt {\frac{{6\cos ^2 x + \sin x(2\cos^2 x -1) + \sin x}}{{2 - \sin x}}} } dx
[/tex]

[tex]
\int {\sqrt {\frac{{6\cos ^2 x + 2\sin x\cos^2 x -\sin x + \sin x}}{{2 - \sin x}}} } dx
[/tex]

[tex]
\int {\sqrt {\frac{{\cos ^2 x(6 + 2\sin x)}}{{2 - \sin x}}} } dx
[/tex]

[tex]
\int \cos x{\sqrt {\frac{{6 + 2\sin x}}{{2 - \sin x}}} } dx
[/tex]

Then I did a substitution, [tex]y = \sin x \Leftrightarrow dy = \cos xdx[/tex] to get:

[tex]
\int {\sqrt {\frac{{6 + 2y}}{{2 - y}}} } dy
[/tex]

I think I can say this looks a lot better than the initial integral, but after that I used about 3 more substitutions and 2 sides of paper. I finally got something but it wasn't all correct I'm affraid.
I was wondering if I started out wrong or if someone sees an easy way to continue (or an easier to start).

Naughty integral if you ask me :bugeye:
 
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It looks okay so far.Now try the sub

[tex]\frac{6+2y}{2-y}=t^{2} [/tex]

Daniel.
 
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Hi, perhaps I should've went on but that's indeed what I did first.

I then got:

[tex]
\int {\frac{{20t^2}}{{(t^2+2)^2}} } dt
[/tex]

I was able to expand that to:

[tex]
\int {\frac{{20}}{{t^2+2}} - \frac{{40}}{{(t^2+2)^2}}} dt
[/tex]

The first one is no problem, I can easily get there with a ArcTan like this:

[tex]
\int {\frac{{20}}{{t^2+2}}} dt = 10\sqrt 2 \arctan \left( {\frac{{\sqrt 2 t}}{2}} \right) (+ C)
[/tex]

But what about the second one? I know it gived an ArcTan as well, but not only that. I've seen recursion formula's for it but is there a way to do it 'by hand'?

PS: I read you're temporarily in Leuven, I study in Brussels - that's very nearby :biggrin:
 
  • #4
U could have easily done it using part integration

[tex] 10\int t \ \frac{d\left(t^{2}+2\right)}{\left(t^{2}+2\right)^{2}} =-10\frac{t}{t^{2}+2} +10\int \frac{dt}{t^{2}+2} [/tex]

Can you take it from here...?

Daniel.
 
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Of course! Then I get:

[tex]
\int {\frac{{20t^2}}{{(t^2+2)^2}} } dt = 5\sqrt 2 \arctan \left( {\frac{{\sqrt 2 t}}{2}} \right) - \frac{{10t}}{{t^2 + 2}} + C
[/tex]

Susbstituting back:

[tex]\frac{6+2y}{2-y}=t^{2} \Leftrightarrow t=\sqrt{\frac{6+2y}{2-y}} \,\,\, gives:[/tex]

[tex]
5\sqrt 2 \arctan \left( {\sqrt {\frac{{y + 3}}{{2 - y}}} } \right) + \sqrt 2 \left( {y - 2} \right)\sqrt {\frac{{y + 3}}{{2 - y}}} + C
[/tex]

Susbstituting back:

[tex]y=\sin x \,\,\, gives:[/tex]

[tex]
5\sqrt 2 \arctan \left( {\sqrt {\frac{{\sin x + 3}}{{2 - \sin x}}} } \right) + \sqrt 2 \left( {\sin x - 2} \right)\sqrt {\frac{{\sin x + 3}}{{2 - \sin x}}} + C
[/tex]

I hope that's it. Finally, thanks :smile:
 
  • #6
Yep, took a bit of messing to check it was the right, but it is.
 
  • #7
Yes, I had Mathematica take the derivative and after FullSimplify, the initial expression almost identically rolled out. Just had to put the cos (and a factor) back in the square root :smile:
 

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