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If the russians hadn't sold alaska to the usa, would the world be a different place today?
http://score.rims.k12.ca.us/activity/suttersfort/pages/sutter.htmlIn 1841, Sutter bought the Russian settlements of Ross and Bodega for $32,000, secured by mortgage on New Helvetia. Sutter also established Hock Farm on the west bank of the Feather River, a few miles south of what would become Yuba City. This farm supplied food for the settlement at Sutter's Fort on the Sacramento River.
drankin said:It was one of the most brilliant acquisitions this country has ever made.
I've lived there 10yrs of my life. My children are Alaska Natives.
There are a folks up there that would like to secede from the US. Alaska would certainly be capable of being its own prosporous country. One of the only places in the country where there is no sales tax, state income tax, and they even pay each resident oil royalties for every year that you live there. Every man woman and child.
It's the light/dark seasonal cycles I did not care for after a few years.
drankin said:It was one of the most brilliant acquisitions this country has ever made.
I've lived there 10yrs of my life. My children are Alaska Natives.
There are a folks up there that would like to secede from the US. Alaska would certainly be capable of being its own prosporous country. One of the only places in the country where there is no sales tax, state income tax, and they even pay each resident oil royalties for every year that you live there. Every man woman and child.
It's the light/dark seasonal cycles I did not care for after a few years.
Pythagorean said:Secession is out of the question. There's only two way we could get it: a) diplomatic b) violence
diplomacy will never work because our roots are as a free trade zone for the US. The US relies on us in so many ways (military position, strategy, and intelligence; fisheries, oil, research and development, the list is endless, some politicians might see us as an inexhaustible resource) that it will never give us up.
violence won't work because we're over-policed, a lot of military personnel are transferred frequently (so they don't have a sense of belonging to Alaska, they're dedication is to the US) and we have multiple military bases controlled by DC up here.
The US machine has properly invested in "homeland security" in Alaska. We are it's *****.
cyrusabdollahi said:I would assume the crime in Alaska is almost non-existant.
cyrusabdollahi said:Just seems like better people would be in Alaska. Its not like the streets of DC.
denverdoc said:Not to butt in. and i haven't seen a single stat--crime rate fluctuates with season, is largely a function of alcohol/drug abuse, and is overall more violence vs purely property crimes?
Rothiemurchus said:If the russians hadn't sold alaska to the usa, would the world be a different place today?
BobG said:I don't think there would be a huge difference. Russia may have interacted with a lot of the Alaskan natives, but they only occupied a small area in the Alaskan Gulf. They weren't very likely to settle the rest of Alaska and not very likely to hold on to what they did occupy because of the British. If the US hadn't 'bought' Alaska from Russia, it would probably be part of Canada.
As it is, the US paid Russia $7.2 million, but a court later declared that deal invalid since Russia didn't own or occupy most of Alaska. The US had to repurchase Alaska from its indigenous residents for $962 million in 1971. A lot of people think that deal was still a rip-off of the native Alaskans.
drankin said:Alcoholism is significant up there. Particularly among the Natives. Some villages are alchol-free for that reason. (Some are actaully "white-man" free, they won't let you out of the Cessna you might have dropped in with). They don't have the same tolerance as those that have had it in their ancestry for thousands of years. As far as being a problem, depends on who you talk to. Long winters don't help.
But the country is incredible.
Man, keep me talking and I'll end up going back!
denverdoc said:Well my guess wasn't too far off--didn't foresee the rape as #1 but in retrospect makes sense, somewhat undermining the notion that rape is not a sexually motivated crime in most instances. Certinly crimes of violence #8 vs property crimes--roughly median values, confirmed my suspicions.
I'd love to go up there in the summer, and am determined to see the A.Borealis before I die, preferably under the influence of the right intoxicants.
Au contraire, Alaska ranks #7 among US states, for violent crime rate and #21 for murder and manslaughter (DC takes the top spot, of course). And it beats DC to the #1 spot for forcible rape.cyrusabdollahi said:I would assume the crime in Alaska is almost non-existant.
Gokul43201 said:Au contraire, Alaska ranks #7 among US states, for violent crime rate and #21 for murder and manslaughter (DC takes the top spot, of course). And it beats DC to the #1 spot for forcible rape.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/US_States_Rate_Ranking.html
Rothiemurchus said:The reality sounds better/worse than the tv programme depending on your point of view about how much freedom people should have.
Rothiemurchus said:I don't think people should be free to buy guns at Wal-Mart in Alaska.But then I live in the UK where most people think you are either a farmer or a criminal if you have a gun.
The gun culture in Alaska and Russia is a highly debated and controversial topic. Both regions have a long history of hunting and gun ownership, and the use of guns for self-defense is also widespread. However, there are also concerns about the high rates of gun violence and accidents in these regions.
In Alaska, gun ownership is protected by the Second Amendment of the US Constitution and there are generally fewer restrictions on gun ownership compared to other states. In Russia, citizens are allowed to own guns for self-defense, hunting, and sport shooting, but the process of obtaining a license is more strict and requires a thorough background check.
The gun culture in these regions has a significant impact on society, both positive and negative. On one hand, it is deeply ingrained in the culture and plays a role in activities such as hunting and sport shooting. On the other hand, the high rates of gun violence and accidents have led to calls for stricter gun control measures.
Some arguments in favor of the gun culture in these regions include the right to bear arms for self-defense and the cultural tradition of hunting. Critics of the gun culture point to the high rates of gun violence and accidents, and argue that stricter regulations are necessary to ensure public safety.
Compared to other countries, the gun culture in Alaska and Russia is unique in its combination of high rates of gun ownership and loose regulations. While countries like the United States also have a strong gun culture, they often have stricter laws and regulations in place. On the other hand, countries with low rates of gun ownership, such as Japan, have significantly lower rates of gun violence and accidents.