What is the domain of y = log [(4-t)^(2/3)] ?

In summary, the domain of the function y = log[(4-t)^(2/3)] is t < 4, as determined by Wolframalpha's answer and graph. However, this may be due to the way Wolframalpha handles roots and is not a reflection of the actual properties of the function.
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Hello to all:

I was trying to solve the following question: what is the domain of the function y = log [(4-t)^(2/3)] for Real t. Here is my reasoning:

The domain of the log(x) is x>0.

I would have interpreted this question in terms of the log of the cubic root of (4-t)^2. Thus, I was thinking of the domain as the solution to the following inequality:

(4-t)^(2/3) > 0

The cubic root has the sign of the radicand and (4-t)^2 is positive for all t. The only restriction would be when 4-t=0 and this happens for t=4. Thus, my answer to the question is: the domain is ALL reals minus 4.

Apparently this is not the case as the answer to the problem is t<4. Now, I am suspecting this is because they are rewriting the function as: y=log[(2/3)*(4-t)] for which indeed the answer would be t<4.

So, I am really confused as to what is going on here. Do I always need to rewrite logarithmic functions to find their domains? Why? Please, help!

Thanks guys!
 
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Hi zacc...

zacc said:
Hello to all:

I was trying to solve the following question: what is the domain of the function y = log [(4-t)^(2/3)] for Real t. Here is my reasoning:

The domain of the log(x) is x>0.

I would have interpreted this question in terms of the log of the cubic root of (4-t)^2. Thus, I was thinking of the domain as the solution to the following inequality:

(4-t)^(2/3) > 0

The cubic root has the sign of the radicand and (4-t)^2 is positive for all t. The only restriction would be when 4-t=0 and this happens for t=4. Thus, my answer to the question is: the domain is ALL reals minus 4.

Apparently this is not the case as the answer to the problem is t<4. Now, I am suspecting this is because they are rewriting the function as: y=log[(2/3)*(4-t)] for which indeed the answer would be t<4.

So, I am really confused as to what is going on here. Do I always need to rewrite logarithmic functions to find their domains? Why? Please, help!

Thanks guys!

The item in red should be y=(2/3)log(4-t)

Its not about rewriting the logarithmic functions.Rather it is about fulfilling the properties of the function.

We know that logban = nlogba .

Now,the domain of the given function needs to satisfy all the properties of logarithms .If you take domain to be R-{0} ,then clearly, the function is not defined for all the points of domain.More specifically ,the function is not defined for t≥4 .Hence,R-{0} cannot be the domain of the given function.

Whereas for t<4 ,the function is defined everywhere in the domain.
 
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zacc said:
Hello to all:

I was trying to solve the following question: what is the domain of the function y = log [(4-t)^(2/3)] for Real t. Here is my reasoning:

The domain of the log(x) is x>0.

I would have interpreted this question in terms of the log of the cubic root of (4-t)^2. Thus, I was thinking of the domain as the solution to the following inequality:

(4-t)^(2/3) > 0

The cubic root has the sign of the radicand and (4-t)^2 is positive for all t. The only restriction would be when 4-t=0 and this happens for t=4. Thus, my answer to the question is: the domain is ALL reals minus 4.

Apparently this is not the case as the answer to the problem is t<4. Now, I am suspecting this is because they are rewriting the function as: y=log[(2/3)*(4-t)] for which indeed the answer would be t<4.
No, it would be y = (2/3)log(4 - t), which is different from what you wrote, and has a domain of t < 4. Otherwise, your other work seems reasonable. If t = 4, (2/3)log[4 - t] and log[(4 - t)2/3] are undefined, but if t > 4, log[(4 - t)2/3] is defined, while (2/3)log(4 - t) is not.

Have you given us the complete problem? What's your reference that says that the domain is only t < 4?
zacc said:
So, I am really confused as to what is going on here. Do I always need to rewrite logarithmic functions to find their domains? Why? Please, help!

Thanks guys!
 
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Tanya and Mark: Indeed I made a mistake and I should have written y=(2/3)*log(t-4). That was my intention. Sorry about that but it was quite late at night when I was writing. Thanks for the correction.

Tanya Sharma said:
Hi zacc...



The item in red should be y=(2/3)log(4-t)

Its not about rewriting the logarithmic functions.Rather it is about fulfilling the properties of the function.

We know that logban = nlogba .

Now,the domain of the given function needs to satisfy all the properties of logarithms .If you take domain to be R-{0} ,then clearly, the function is not defined for all the points of domain.More specifically ,the function is not defined for t≥4 .Hence,R-{0} cannot be the domain of the given function.

Whereas for t<4 ,the function is defined everywhere in the domain.

Hi Tanya: Thanks for the reply. I still don't see why my original reasoning is flawed. That is, (t-4)2 is positive over all reals and so is its cubic root and thus its log should be defined But, please see below.

Mark44 said:
No, it would be y = (2/3)log(4 - t), which is different from what you wrote, and has a domain of t < 4. Otherwise, your other work seems reasonable. If t = 4, (2/3)log[4 - t] and log[(4 - t)2/3] are undefined, but if t > 4, log[(4 - t)2/3] is defined, while (2/3)log(4 - t) is not.

Have you given us the complete problem? What's your reference that says that the domain is only t < 4?

Mark: My only reference was asking the question to Wolframalpha: "what is the domain of the function y=log[(4-t)^(2/3)]" which returns t<4 as the answer. Requesting a plot of the function returns only the branch for t<4.

Tanya and Mark:

Now, I just realized that if I had asked Wolframalpha the question: what is the domain of the function y=log((t-4)^2) the answer in this case is all reals except 4. So, evidently the problem has to do with the way Wolframalpha handles the roots and maybe there is something that I am missing. If any of you have any insight it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.
 
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The answer you got is a result of how WA handles fractional exponents. I think this is what WA is doing:
$$(4 - t)^{2/3} = e^{ln(4 - t)^{2/3}} = e^{2/3 * ln(4 - t)}$$
 
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FAQ: What is the domain of y = log [(4-t)^(2/3)] ?

What is the meaning of the term "domain" in this equation?

The domain of a function refers to the set of all possible input values that the function can take. In other words, it is the set of values for which the function is defined.

How do you determine the domain of a logarithmic function?

To determine the domain of a logarithmic function, we need to consider the argument of the logarithm. In this equation, the argument is (4-t)^(2/3). For the function to be defined, the argument must be greater than 0. Therefore, the domain of this function is all real numbers except t = 4.

Can the domain of a logarithmic function be negative?

No, the domain of a logarithmic function cannot be negative. Logarithmic functions are only defined for positive input values.

Is the domain of a logarithmic function always the same as the range?

No, the domain and range of a logarithmic function are not always the same. While the domain refers to the input values, the range refers to the output values. In this equation, the range would be all real numbers.

What happens if the argument of the logarithm is equal to 0?

If the argument of the logarithm is equal to 0, the function is undefined. This is because logarithmic functions are not defined for 0 input values. In the given equation, this would occur when t = 4, making the function undefined at this point.

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